Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 03:53:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv References: <9kednTImBeTyi977nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>

Content-Language: en-US From: trotsky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 150 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 08:53:41 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 8460 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17d0d7e16b62bc2c$71876$347424$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 8839 On 5/18/24 8:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > On May 18, 2024 at 4:15:05 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: > >> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700 >>>>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for >>>>>>>>> >sight-readers, >>>>>>>>> >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or something.) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians who have >>>>>>>>> managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert pianists these >>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that they >>>>>>>> weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and attributed this >>>>>>>> to race. To address that, all or most auditions for orchestras started >>>>>>>> being done behind screens so that the judges could only hear the >>>>>>>> performance but not see the performer. But apparently Asians are now >>>>>>>> seen as white or white allies and a certain group of people who I'll >>>>>>>> call People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply be >>>>>>>> given positions on orchestras without auditioning because they have >>>>>>>> been discriminated against in the past. I assume they're proposing some >>>>>>>> kind of quota system but I'm not sure what percentage of the slots >>>>>>>> they're demanding. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support among the >>>>>>>> people who decide these things but, given the way things are going in >>>>>>>> general, I would be surprised if this was NOT done. Competence is going >>>>>>>> out of the window to be replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny all of >>>>>>>> this and/or defend it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, where >>>>>>> literally everything in America was discovered to be racist, there was >>>>>>> an article in the New York Times that asserted that the blind audition >>>>>>> system used by most professional orchestras and ensembles was racist >>>>>>> because it *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and the judges >>>>>>> have no idea who the person is, what race they are, what gender they are, >>>>>>> etc., it takes away the judge's ability to racially discriminate. This >>>>>>> used to be considered a good thing, but in today's woke world, the >>>>>>> inability to racially discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over >>>>>>> whites) is a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to >>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure >>>>>>> talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to base a >>>>>>> decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' enough for the >>>>>>> intelligentsia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to remove that >>>>>>> screen so the judges see the players, can actively discriminate against >>>>>>> whites and Asians, and make hiring decisions based on race and gender, >>>>>>> rather than ability to play the music. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of racial >>>>>>> discrimination is the goal of the modern 'progressive'... well, I have a >>>>>>> few bridges to sell them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid of blind >>>>>>> auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too many white classical >>>>>>> musicians, there strangely was no plan to 'fix' the problem of too many >>>>>>> black basketball players (or any recognition that it even is a problem >>>>>>> in the first place). Wonder why that is? >>>>>> >>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' as >>>>>> though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view? >>>>> >>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class so that >>>>> you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to whitey. >>>>> >>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than that they >>>>> can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised you cheerlead for >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and they >>>>> somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on sheer talent >>>>> and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's not seen as a >>>>> 'diversity' success but a problem that needs 'fixing'. >>>> >>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: procedural bias >>>> meant to hasten the homogenization of an artificially bifurcate society. >>> >>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial about >>> it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may with >>> regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups. >>> >>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial occurrence >>> than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, the best people >>> for the job are the ones who are hired. >>> >>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a >>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'? >>> >>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations are >>> what they are because they hired the best people for the job. Why is one >>> a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs to be fixed? >> >> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given instance. >> >> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals. > > And the teams who make the most money are the teams who win-- i.e., the teams > with the most talent. If you want to start putting black people in orchestras > despite them not being able to play Mahler as well as the white guy next in > line, Cite? Hint, your racism is not proof, it's just you acting like a piece of dogshit. I claim these truths to be self evident: Black musicians' low participation in American orchestras often begins with issues of access and resources. It is expensive to become a working classical musician, and even more expensive if you want to play in a professional orchestra.Apr 3, 2024 It's Not Just an Access Problem – Orchestras Aren't Creating ... I Care If You Listen https://icareifyoulisten.com › 2024/04 › its-not-just-an-... then you have to start forcing basketball teams to hire less-talented > white guys who can't play as well as the top-ranked black players. > >