Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rhino Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Bad reporting Hazards to Homeless article Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:58:16 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Message-ID: <20240414115816.00002f6c@example.com> References: <20240413162248.000059fe@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="19b80a818dd4f32e9eb2621c44f7615b"; logging-data="3907115"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19nPW1XU7DZyfGqPdomtGJZ4/6kB5kbJdc=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:jlwTEPRnXrS1hOvfy1I1Wajtj+4= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.2.0 (GTK 3.24.41; x86_64-w64-mingw32) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240414-2, 4/14/2024), Outbound message Bytes: 3868 On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 23:20:47 -0700 The Horny Goat wrote: > On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:22:48 -0400, Rhino > wrote: > > >If the homeless were allowed agency, there would inevitably be > >pressure to hold them accountable for their actions. That would > >undermine the "progressive" Saviours who are going to fix everything > >with vast new and expensive - and almost certainly futile - programs > >to help the poor darlings. It's far better to just declare them all > >to be helpless captives of their addictions and mental health so > >that "help" can be applied in whatever fashion the government and > >their agents in the civil service deem necessary. Many many billions > >of tax dollars can then be wasted on schemes that won't solve the > >problem but WILL enrich the agencies that run the schemes. > > > You're suggesting forcible confinement in mental health facilities Actually, no, I was not even *thinking* of doing that. I'm not sure which words gave that impression. Time and time again, I've heard the opinion expressed by experts (or those paraphrasing experts) that you can't force people to get clean. Rehab only works if the addict WANTS to get clean and even then it is far from a certainty that it will work. If that is true - and I'd certainly like to know if there are indications to the contrary - forcing people into rehab doesn't seem like a plausible solution. > though you'd have a devil of a time convincing a judge that the > outdoor camping homeless were mentally ill even when they refused free > indoor accomodation. (Though I remain highly dubious about judges that > allow campouts in public parts particularly when used needles and > weapons are found there) I don't know what good solutions exist or even if there ARE any good solutions. The documentary I saw on safe supply which showed it caused many negative consequences, especially making increasingly younger children junkies, made me strongly oppose that approach. I resent like hell seeing public money being spent on people who contribute nothing to society and who use the money we give them to get and stay high while everyone else works their asses off to let them live that lifestyle. This profoundly undermines society as a whole by giving too many people the idea that it is just fine to get high all the time at public expense. We need to rediscover human agency in this whole situation and agree that if people choose to buy drugs and get high instead of working, THEY MADE THAT CHOICE and need to pay the consequences. -- Rhino