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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <2nxZsfRFhSbXIzXBP8c8h14qYX0@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: how References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <mpLoi51m0coJyOmPmE1fRwX_DDg@jntp> <c4a5b51e-a9c3-4d3f-b7f9-06a53593d836@att.net> <8SqWWZhhlVTCtwSAp_E7XuodBl8@jntp> <74cb7a4e-39ad-4832-80e8-2855d160af8a@att.net> <amH_j1aBYYp2aJdK8stwNkRBfPk@jntp> <86943ca8-a023-46d1-b068-78a03a0b0e76@att.net> <2a2cd7dc-1b18-45b2-b0c0-83867d71d796@att.net> <reRM2y82zJnhmEKTo5KQBzjUw6g@jntp> <94aae0c0-6fad-4124-ae16-144bfbb3901e@att.net> Newsgroups: sci.math JNTP-HashClient: GhaKZ2F2Hp2mrEoHDR7aJfI9Dg4 JNTP-ThreadID: 4YLc1knY-8u5i_KQ0oWqy89D7aY JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=2nxZsfRFhSbXIzXBP8c8h14qYX0@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Sat, 22 Jun 24 20:19:39 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/126.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="25d5a506365fc8262443ce1bd287e5d0233c1bef"; logging-data="2024-06-22T20:19:39Z/8914084"; posting-account="217@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Bytes: 2766 Lines: 35 Le 22/06/2024 à 20:20, Jim Burns a écrit : > On 6/22/2024 12:31 PM, WM wrote: > Your (WM's) "argument" is that it is fanatic matheology > to claim that ⋃{FISON} is an IISON > an Infinite.Initial.Segment.Of.Naturals. That is impossible because all FISONs are finite. >> According to Cantor's theorem B >> a set of necessary FISONs to be unioned does not exist. > > According to proposal 3 == "∅, x∪{y}, {y:P(x)} exist" > a set of FISONS.to.be.unioned exists A set of necessary FISONs to be unioned as ℕ does not exist. > > Removing a single FISON not.changes the union. > Removing all FISONs is not removing a single FISON > and changes the union. What FISON is the first that must not be removed? > >> Therefore we have: UF(n) = ℕ ⟹ U{ } = ℕ. > > Do you (WM) have a math.like reason? You are unfortunately unable to comprehend what you dislike: It is Cantor's Theorem B: Every existing set of ordinals has a first or smallest element. The set of FISONs necessary to yield ℕ would be a set of ordinals. It is well defined. For every FISON we can determine whether it is necessary. Regards, WM