Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul S Person Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.fandom Subject: Re: Babel Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:55:09 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: <52pd0j9d77bois0h29l6g0ij7gmrivat8c@4ax.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 15:55:11 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8e2dc597a9b4d16fdcbaf44c9b0d9164"; logging-data="412328"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+oqBJpsDsKEA6kNQgw/9VgrkKfS3StaxA=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Bi8tb9x//pU2AR0UOq0ssTIfZwc= Bytes: 3948 On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:44:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler >> wrote: >>=20 >>> On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >>>> Keith F. Lynch wrote: >>>>> Tim Illingworth wrote: >>>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains. Russia = has >>>>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has = not. >>>>> >>>>>> December 1814 not count? >>>>> >>>>> I think you mean August of that year. More recently there was an >>>>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863. >>>> >>>> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol = building >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on = whether >>>> you define the invaders as US citizens or not. Since the war was = about >>>> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to= define >>>> them as rebellious citizens. My Confederate-supporting high school = history >>>> teacher would not do so, however. >>>> >>>>> Some might also count January 2021. Is it an invasion of all >>>>> participants were US citizens? One person there was carrying the >>>>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was = probably >>>>> just confused. >>>> >>>> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness = doesn't. >>> >>> Agreed, insurrection is not invasion. >>=20 >> I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this. >>=20 >> Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has >> been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see >> which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake? >>=20 >> As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as >> many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift >> Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason, >> pure and simple. >>=20 >> The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted >> authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for >> President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although >> they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State, >> after all. > >With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot=20 >be barred but everyone else can be. :P That's not what they ruled so far -- for purely local offices, at least. --=20 "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino, Who evil spoke of everyone but God, Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"