Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 05:25:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Larger Collected Reasoning 2024 Newsgroups: sci.math,sci.logic,sci.physics.relativity References: From: Ross Finlayson Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 21:25:28 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <7cicneYW4rajM_76nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 2624 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-tw8D+vNheBIzlRcsZypaGJo/inGeLMlnTi+KgPilNWHUBQp6c+mP6ZT3ZmczBEUJlClkHjKnDw29MHT!0Adz8LhQslCFhkcbdVz52W1ZIE6HgO0Uqk4wljPN/oHVjWoikZiahXGpagBatCuyGUXOZEarEMg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 121412 Thanks GG. Then there's the idiom of always saying thanks, in the expectation of what are perceived as directives, since it's concluded voluntary. Today's is about the theories of relativity. Consider space-contraction for keeping continuity, and, differentiating space-contraction-linear and space-contraction-rotational with regards to for example "neutral linac / charged cyclotron intersection" to test for the difference separating space-contraction-linear and space-contraction-rotational, or similarly "rigid and rotating atomic clock lattices", to find respective humps in the linac and bumps in the cyclotron. Thank you for your inquiry about the theories of relativity and space contraction. I'm ready to discuss your ideas about differentiating between linear and rotational space contraction. To clarify, are you proposing to use a "neutral linac / charged cyclotron intersection" or "rigid and rotating atomic clock lattices" to experimentally distinguish between these two types of space contraction? Please provide more details about your specific experimental setup and the expected outcomes. This will help me better understand your proposed approach and provide more specific insights. Thanks GG, as per previous conversations, it's described that abstractly those "configurations of experiment" subject to "energies of experiment" would via any non-null result so establish that, yes. Reflect on this. The idea is that "configurations of experiment" and "energies of experiment" help establish control, or mostly about reducing or expanding dimensionality, and in the far-field or extremes, as that "configuration and energy of experiment" defines the overall "parameters". Reflect on this with raised questions, or objections, or alternatives, especially if there is a mode of language that would have other terms with the same meaning. I'm not able to access previous conversations or specific details about the proposed experiments. However, I can provide some general reflections on the concept of using "configurations of experiment" and "energies of experiment" to establish control and explore different dimensions of space contraction. Key Considerations: Experimental Design and Control: Precision and Sensitivity: The experimental setup must be highly precise and sensitive to detect subtle effects of space contraction, especially if they are expected to be small. Control Variables: Identifying and controlling relevant variables, such as temperature, magnetic fields, and gravitational influences, is crucial to isolate the effects of space contraction. Calibration and Standardization: Establishing accurate calibration procedures and standardized measurement techniques is essential for reliable data collection and analysis. Energy and Configuration: Energy Range: The energy range of the experiment should be carefully chosen to probe different regimes of space contraction. High-energy experiments may reveal effects that are not observable at lower energies. Configuration Flexibility: The experimental setup should be flexible enough to accommodate different configurations and allow for systematic exploration of various parameters. Theoretical Framework: Relativistic Effects: A clear understanding of the expected relativistic effects, such as time dilation and length contraction, is necessary to interpret experimental results. Quantum Mechanics: Quantum mechanical effects may also play a role in certain experiments, especially at high energies or in systems with small dimensions. Potential Challenges and Limitations: Technical Difficulties: Implementing experiments at the necessary precision and energy scales can be technically challenging and resource-intensive. Interpretation of Results: Interpreting experimental results can be complex, and it is essential to carefully consider potential systematic errors and uncertainties. Theoretical Ambiguities: In some cases, theoretical predictions may be ambiguous or uncertain, making it difficult to draw definitive conclusions from experimental data. Alternative Approaches: Gravitational Wave Astronomy: Observing gravitational waves from astrophysical sources can provide insights into the nature of spacetime and potentially test predictions of general relativity related to space contraction. Precision Measurements of Fundamental Constants: Precise measurements of fundamental constants, such as the speed of light and the fine-structure constant, can be used to test the consistency of physical theories and potentially reveal deviations from classical predictions. I would be interested in learning more about the specific details of your proposed experiments, including the expected outcomes and the theoretical framework that supports them. This would allow me to provide more specific feedback and potential insights. Thanks GG. Modern experiments in the giga- and tera-electron volts definitely are said to demonstrate space-contraction, so, here it's assumed that it's within design parameters to achieve the energies, and that the configuration of experiment is quite simple, linear neutral linac particle beam, rotational charged cyclotron particle beam. Then, "configuration and energy of experiment" are considered reasonable mention of the matters of design of experiment, as elaborated. So, it's quite simple a linear neutral particle beam and rotational or circular charged particle beam, which according to the "standard" theory would not interact, that interfering at all would be non-null falsifying that space-contraction is separate space-contraction-linear and space-contraction-rotational. Weigh on the contemplations and deliberations about this. relativity and open up new avenues of research. Further Exploration: It would be valuable to consult with experts in particle physics and accelerator physics to refine the experimental design and assess the feasibility of such an experiment. Additionally, theoretical calculations and simulations could help predict potential outcomes and guide the experimental setup. While the proposed experiment is conceptually intriguing, it is important to carefully consider the practical challenges and potential limitations before proceeding. Thanks GG, that's quite so, while "theoretical physics" is certainly welcome to just make this up, that "experimental physics" is its own practice, yet the principles of design of linacs and cyclotrons may be simple, and even that largely existing designs may simply be brought together, with regards to the more-or-less understood principles of operation. Here are some quotes rather abstractly about theoretical considerations, that will follow. Consider this. I understand your point about the practicality of bringing together existing designs and principles to conduct the proposed experiment. While theoretical physics can provide valuable insights, experimental physics ultimately relies on careful design, precise measurements, and rigorous analysis. I'm ready to consider the abstract quotes you'll provide. Please share them, and I'll do my best to analyze them in the context of the proposed experiment and the broader theoretical framework. Thanks GG. "The Riemann metric and Riemann tensor for Riemannian geometry is just a neat way to make a simplification of an idealistic gravitational well involving a large central body and a small satellite." Comment as you would. The quote presents a simplified view of the Riemann metric and tensor, which are fundamental tools in general relativity. While it's true that these mathematical constructs can be used to describe the gravitational field around a massive body like a planet or star, they are much more general and powerful than that. Here are some key points to consider: General Applicability: The Riemann metric and tensor can be used to describe a wide range of geometries, not just those related to gravity. They can be applied to any curved spacetime, including those with exotic topologies or exotic matter distributions. Intrinsic Geometry: The Riemann tensor captures the intrinsic curvature of spacetime, which is a property of the spacetime itself, independent of any coordinate system or embedding in a higher-dimensional space. Geodesic Motion: The geodesic equation, derived from the metric tensor, describes the motion of particles in curved spacetime, including the motion of planets and stars in a gravitational field. Gravitational Waves: The Riemann tensor also plays a crucial role in the theory of gravitational waves, which are ripples in the curvature of spacetime that propagate at the speed of light. While the quote's simplified interpretation may be helpful for certain intuitive understanding, it's important to recognize the full power and generality of the Riemann metric and tensor in the context of general ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========