Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John B. Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Higher Education Is Overrated Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 09:17:23 +0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 70 Message-ID: <9qrfcj93d7aaig8lb0onaudcogvcnt6prk@4ax.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:17:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="41bb8d17fefbafa174ed966224109598"; logging-data="816667"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/+NFfivonlLKl+gBC/J1/E8j6McvsnuRA=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.10.32.1212 Cancel-Lock: sha1:LjeobUIUlOj8Sk7wdUPQrvl06BM= Bytes: 4160 On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:36:46 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >John B. wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:12:49 -0400, Catrike Ryder >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:42:55 +0700, John B. >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 06:04:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://hbr.org/2010/07/higher-education-is-highly-ove >>>> >>>> The problem is that "higher education" has come to mean "collage >>>> education" when in fact it should be seen as any advanced knowledge. >>>> >>>> A rather vivid example is the English Bowman of the 1300's and 1400s >>>> were able to win battles against much larger and much better equipped >>>> French forces.The Battle of Crécy took place on 26 August 1346 between >>>> an English army of from 7,000 to 15,000 (data was somewhat poor in >>>> those days) was able to defeat an army of from 20,000 - 30,000 French >>>> who were equipped with far better equipment. Loses on the English side >>>> was in the region of 1 for every 13-15 French who were killed. >>>> >>>> In the Battle of Agincourt about 100 year later 6,000 to 8,000 English >>>> took on some 14,000?15,000 French and beat them again with about 600 >>>> English losses versus 6,000 French losses, and 600 - 2,000 captured. >>>> >>>> While the difference in formal education was probably not great, among >>>> the Gentry, the English had a program to encourage archery and boys >>>> might start archery training as early as 10 years of age and there was >>>> a "government program" to manufacture archery supplies, bows and >>>> arrows. >>>> >>>> By the way, for anyone that cares the "English Long Bow" might better >>>> be called the Welch Long Bow" as it is though it originated in that >>>> country(s). >>> >>> OMG, training 10 year olds to be proficient in weapons designed to >>> kill people. What's worse, I'll bet that they took those killer >>> weapons home where they could be shot with them. Blimey! Horrors! >> >> I would that the "bows" were semi custom to match the child's strength >> so undoubtedly they took them home... And even worse, bows are rapid >> fire devices - 12 arrows a minute. One site says 10 - 15 arrows per >> minute and a 30 "round magazine" :-) >> >> >You’d need quite extensive training and experience and strength to draw a >long bow, which is significantly heavier draw than modern or even late >medieval bows. > >no original low bows exist oldest are from the Mary Rose which is 100 years >after the Long Bows dominance and the draw of such bows is 3 times of >modern bows or hunting bows of the time. > >Ie to use such a bow you’d need to devote significant effort and time. > >Roger Merriman If I remember over 100 lbs draw weight. I also seem to remember that body's were found with evidence of unusual stress having been applied to the arm and back, said to have been archers. -- Cheers, John B.