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From: John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism
Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 08:05:09 -0700
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On 5/2/24 7:39 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
> Ernest Major wrote:
>> On 01/05/2024 03:52, Ron Dean wrote:
>>> John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/24 4:27 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>> John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/24 6:06 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>>>> Ernest Major wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/04/2024 02:31, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think due to gradual increasing genetic errors and increase 
>>>>>>>>> rate of deleterious mutations each generation becomes  less fit 
>>>>>>>>> than the preceding generation, so in the passing spans of time 
>>>>>>>>> the genes of a species become less and less incapable of 
>>>>>>>>> reproduction or species survival. This could account for many 
>>>>>>>>> of 99%+ of of all species that ever lived that have gone 
>>>>>>>>> extinct. Of course the dinosaurs became extinct due to a 6 mile 
>>>>>>>>> diameter meteor striking the Earth. Also changing weather the 
>>>>>>>>> coming and going of ice ages; as well massive volcano 
>>>>>>>>> eruptions  accounts for extinction of many species for example 
>>>>>>>>> in Siberia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you taking a progressive creationist position, in which your 
>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer is continuously creating species de novo? 
>>>>>>>> Or are you claiming that the current 10 million (+/- a lot) 
>>>>>>>> species biota is the remnant of a much richer biota of a billion 
>>>>>>>> species?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For your information, the conclusion drawn from the fossil 
>>>>>>>> record is that (for multicellular eukaryotes at least) species 
>>>>>>>> diversity has been generally increasing over time (though with 
>>>>>>>> big setbacks at times of mass extinction).
>>>>>>>>
>>
>> snip
>>
>>>  >
>>> I dismissed, Although I do try to respond to questions, challenges 
>>> and issues. I cannot address every comment that's presented due to 
>>> time and my present concerns and interest. I'm not so sure of just 
>>> how important anything I see on TO is to me, right now especially 
>>> this thread. I never intentionally defended or supported West 
>>> Virginia Creationism. But rather intelligent design has been my 
>>> interest for decades.
>>>
>>
>> To remind you of the context, I've removed the intermediate material. 
>> The context is not "West Virginia creationism". The context is the 
>> claims you've made about the natural world.
>>
> I think the weakest facets of evolution is what is _not_ known about 
> origins. The most serious is the question is the origin of highly 
> complex information. Except for life, nothing else in the natural world 
> has ever equaled or come close to such information. If the present is 
> key to the past, then there is no exception; highly complex information 
> comes _only_ from a mind. Without information - there is no life.
> 
You contradict yourself. If nothing except life has ever displayed 
complex information, the inference would be that highly complex 
information comes from life, not from "a mind", whatever you might mean 
by that. Further, all the minds we know of are living beings, and they 
descend from less complex living beings in the past. It appears, then, 
that complexity arises from evolution.

Of course a mind is quite complex. So where did the mind you think is 
responsible for all that come from? Is it minds all the way down?