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From: Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:38:16 -0400
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Ron Dean wrote:
> erik simpson wrote:
>> On 3/30/24 11:11 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>> Bob Casanova wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 06:51:17 -0500, the following appeared
>>>> in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.science.org/content/article/west-virginia-opens-door-teaching-intelligent-design 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Last year this boob tried to slip in teaching intelligent design by
>>>>> adding one sentence to a decades old act to allow teaching intelligent
>>>>> design in the public schools.  The bill didn't make it to the 
>>>>> governor.
>>>>> This year she took out the words "intelligent design" but admits that
>>>>> intelligent design could be taught using her legislation.  It is 
>>>>> sort of
>>>>> like Louisiana not stating what they wanted to teach about scientific
>>>>> creationism.  The Supreme court ruled that even though the dishonest
>>>>> legislators tried to slip it through, there was little doubt about 
>>>>> what
>>>>> they wanted to teach.  If the governor signs this bill we will see how
>>>>> it gets interpreted.
>>>>>
>>>> Obviously, all of those listed in the section "Monotheism"
>>>> in this article...
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity
>>>>
>>>> ...as well as those shown in this one...
>>>>
>>>> https://medium.com/@mythopia/twelve-creator-gods-abridged-article-c32c5ae26930 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...will have to be included, as will multiple others, most
>>>> not part of monotheism (Creation can be a "team effort",
>>>> after all...). Inclusion and equity, y'know...
>>>>>
>>>>> This again is testing the ID perp's "not required" to be taught scam.
>>>>> They are not requiring ID to be taught, they are even lying about
>>>>> wanting to teach it, so we will see how it goes if some stupid, 
>>>>> ignorant
>>>>> and likely dishonest teacher wants to use it to support their 
>>>>> religious
>>>>> beliefs in the science class.  Really, how honest could a teacher 
>>>>> be at
>>>>> this point after decades of the ID scam bait and switch going down on
>>>>> any hapless rubes that have wanted to teach the lame junk in the 
>>>>> public
>>>>> schools.  No school board or legislator that has wanted to teach ID in
>>>>> the public schools has ever gotten any ID science to teach from the ID
>>>>> perps at the Discovery Institute.  There has never been a public 
>>>>> school
>>>>> lesson plan put out for evaluation, and the Discovery Institute 
>>>>> used to
>>>>> claim that Of Pandas and People could be used as a text to teach the
>>>>> junk, but that ended after the name change from creationism to ID was
>>>>> exposed in Kitzmiller.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to the ID scam unit web site at the Discovery Institute and it
>>>>> looks like they did not refill the staff position that they had for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> person that was responsible for running the bait and switch on hapless
>>>>> rubes that wanted to teach ID in the public schools.  She left after
>>>>> running  the bait and switch on the Utah rubes back in 2017.  It looks
>>>>> like Oklahoma and West Virginia have been missed.  My guess is that 
>>>>> the
>>>>> ID perps needed to save money and didn't think that they needed 
>>>>> someone
>>>>> to track the rubes and make sure that the bait and switch went 
>>>>> down.  It
>>>>> looks like they were wrong.  As crazy as it may seem there are still
>>>>> creationist rubes that want to teach the junk when the bait and switch
>>>>> has been going down for over 2 decades, and no one has ever gotten any
>>>>> ID science to teach.  All anyone has ever gotten is an obfuscation and
>>>>> denial switch scam that the creationists do not like because they 
>>>>> do not
>>>>> want to teach their kids enough science for them to understand what 
>>>>> they
>>>>> have to deny.
>>>  >
>>> Advocates can point to empirical evidence which they claim supports 
>>> intelligent design. However, they can not point to any evidence that 
>>> they can claim points to the identity of the designer. But
>>> in their world that's sufficient. Evidence of design is the Cambrian 
>>> explosion where a myriad of new body plans appeared abruptly, 
>>> geologically speaking.
>>>
>>> The problem is information. How and from where did the information to 
>>> build the bodies of the Cambrian animals come from? If the present is 
>>> key to the past. At the present time, today information comes only 
>>> from mind. So, must it have been during the Cambrian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>> You need to educate yourself about the "Cambrian Explosion".  It's 
>> been a subject of great interest for many years, and there's a great 
>> deal that's been learned about it.  "Intelligent design" has presented 
>> no such record of accomplishment regarding this period, nor the 
>> preceding Ediacaran period.  In fact, it hasn't any record of 
>> accomplishment regarding any subsequent period.  "It looks designed, 
>> so it must be" isn't evidence of anything except ignorance.  Ignorance 
>> itself isn't bad, since there's an available remedy. Hint; information 
>> doesn't come from the mind.  It goes IN to the mind.
>  >
Really, if information goes into mind, this still does not answer the
source of information, especially the origin of highly complex
information contained in DNA. Have you researched this topic?
>
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-FcnLsF1g
>