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On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:51:46 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Fri, 16 Aug 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>> On 8/16/2024 4:55 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 8/16/2024 1:26 PM, BCFD 36 wrote:
>>>>> Awhile back, The Three Body Problem was mentioned. In that thread, =
there=20
>>>>> was no mention of the current Netflix version. Was this mentioned=20
>>>>> somewhere else and I just missed it? Google groups is of no help =
any=20
>>>>> more.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I have just started the series and I am intrigued, so far. Just two=
=20
>>>>> episodes. My wife is rather "meh" about it, but she said the same =
thing=20
>>>>> about Star Trek 1 which in reality she HATED so I may be watching =
it=20
>>>>> after she goes to bed.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Dave Scruggs
>>>>> Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
>>>>> Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
>>>>> Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What =
was I=20
>>>>> thinking?)
>>>>=20
>>>> I did not like the Netflix version, have yet to read the book.=A0 =
Too much=20
>>>> time spent on the China Cultural Revolution and their violence =
against the=20
>>>> educated.=A0 Felt like a Children of the Corn mini series.  I gave =
up after=20
>>>> two episodes.
>>>=20
>>> I've known several people whose lives were damaged by that event.=A0 =
And=20
>>> these were the lucky ones, who made it to the west.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> One scientist I knew never got over it, especially the abuse suffered=
 by=20
>>> her mother.=A0 One might have expected her father, an educated man =
who had=20
>>> lived in the West and still had children living there to be as big a=20
>>> target. But he was left alone, she said, because he was a renowned=20
>>> gerontologist and=A0 the Party leadership was getting older.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Another distinguished scientist told me he reached the last year of=20
>>> secondary education only to realize that he'd learned absolutely =
nothing=20
>>> owing to the constant meetings and demonstrations.=A0 Ignoring his =
teachers,=20
>>> he packed four years of school into one.=A0 Judging by his subsequent=
 career,=20
>>> he kept up that level of effort for=A0 the next few decades.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> William Hyde
>>
>> One of my Dad's mainland Chinese grad students from OU lived with us =
for a=20
>> couple of years from 1973 to 1974 and worked for my Dad from 1973 to =
1995.=20
>> He came over to the USA in 1966 or 1967 and got a PhD in Chemical =
Engineering=20
>> from OU in 1973.  I heard enough stories from him about growing on a =
farm in=20
>> China, living in a cave, starving all the time.  If our family did not=
 eat=20
>> everything at supper then he would finish everything off.  It took my =
mother=20
>> several months break him of that habit.  But he never got fat.  He =
never=20
>> mentioned anything about the Cultural Revolution but I suspect it was =
the=20
>> reason why he left China.
>>
>> He was incredibly smart, he would give me an algorithm and I would =
code it up=20
>> in Fortran 66 for him in a subroutine and give him the card deck. He =
was very=20
>> submissive, he would never look you in the face, would always look =
down.  He=20
>> went back to mainland China in 1995 to help with his sister's export=20
>> business.  Sadly, he soon had a heart attack and passed away.  His =
sister was=20
>> kind enough to call my father and tell us.
>>
>> I know several people in the USA who had to leave Iran when they had =
their=20
>> cultural revolution.  Mostly engineers working for USA companies like =
Dupont=20
>> in Iran.  I've gotten a few stories from them, grim, very grim.  One =
of my=20
>> classmates at TAMU disappeared at the midyear of our junior year in =
1980 when=20
>> the Iranian Embassy in the USA sent him a letter cutting off his funds=
 and=20
>> ordering him to come home.  They also revoked his visa but President =
Reagan=20
>> gave all those people green card status in 1981.  He refused to go =
home to=20
>> Iran since he was a nephew of the Shah, he figured that they would =
shoot him=20
>> the minute he stepped off the plane.
>>
>> In other words, the various Cultural Revolutions are a little too real=
 for me=20
>> and I do not enjoy reading about or viewing them.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>
>With this historical luggage I can never understand how people in europe=
=20
>can insist on voting for socialists. Give them enough power and they =
tend=20
>to repeat themselves. Just look at the socialist UK government now=20
>cracking down on free speech. Very sad.

=46irst, the UK has a different view of free speech than the USA.
/Their/ gummint can prohibit stories from running in newspapers at
all; ours can not, at least not before they have been published.

Second, they appear to be talking about holding people responsible for
the consequences of their actions. Starting a riot or crying "Fire!"
in a theater had /always/ been punishable speech. Just because they
are doing it online may make it harder to prove (depending on how the
law is written), but not impossible, and certainly not make it
unreasonable to try.

I should also point out that their ability to have US citizens
extradicted will depend on how the relevant treaty is written and the
relevant process. If this requires the crime charged to be a crime in
this country, then things may get a bit ... sticky. Consider the LA
prosecutor's attempt to have Roman Polanski from Switzerland [1]: it
failed because the Swiss concluded that he had been sentenced and had
served his sentence and so there was no meat in the LA's hamburger.

[1] This occurred during the Great Recession. Given the reduced tax
income of those times, I have been known, from time to time, to wonder
how many rapists and murderers were /not/ prosecuted because the money
needed was spent on their "get Polanski" obsession.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"