Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: NoBody Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Inconvenient lefties Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 07:32:18 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <17c0c13d249c8eca$72548$1768716$4ad50060@news.newsdemon.com> <17c0ceb693286352$341$3121036$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com> <2MucnTxnR-96cJn7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <17c0fc54e55b8534$37200$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com> <17c109af9b28102b$53484$2218499$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:32:21 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2d28ac9f1a6d4e8148c88c68a6e5bd98"; logging-data="282368"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/J5Y8aNLjPqWofFzz8z/KuPGXy5rSzT3I=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:3IeXK4Nomr5zEUUr+54/EHwOYSo= X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240329-2, 3/29/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 3.3/32.846 Bytes: 4379 On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 17:06:20 -0400, moviePig wrote: >On 3/28/2024 2:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article >> <17c0fc54e55b8534$37200$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com>, >> moviePig wrote: >> >>> On 3/28/2024 12:11 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> On Mar 27, 2024 at 8:05:40 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3/27/2024 7:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> In article >>>>>> <17c0c13d249c8eca$72548$1768716$4ad50060@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Last Friday, a Chicago alderman (there are cockroaches with higher >>>>>>>>>>> social standing) gave a speech at a rally outside city hall >>>>>>>>>>> condemning Biden and support for Israel in the war against Hamas. >>>>>>>>>>> A veteran had burned a special American flag >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that burning the American flag is protected speech, but >>>>>>>>>> if you burn an Alphabet Mafia rainbow flag, you can get arrested for >>>>>>>>>> a hate crime? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You mean a flag that does not belong to you, not your own flag. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, I mean any rainbow flag. If you go buy one yourself, then take it >>>>>>>> to an anti-troon protest and burn it, it's a hate crime. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if you buy an American flag and take it to an Antifa riot and >>>>>>>> burn it, protected speech. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The former action is one of hate, the latter is one of protest. >>>>>> >>>>>> What if the former is one of protest, too? >>>>> >>>>> That'd be for a judge to be convinced of >>>> >>>> Since when do I have to convince the government of the reasons for my >>>> speech to keep from being jailed for it? >>>> >>>> "Congress shall make no law..." >>>> >>>>> ...who might ask, e.g., whether the defendant *knew* how the act would >>>>> be perceived. >>>> >>>> My right to free speech isn't dependent on how someone else-- with an >>>> agenda of their own-- might perceive my words. >>> >>> Are you disputing laws against hate speech or how they're enforced? >> >> Both. Hate speech is protected speech per the Supreme Court and any laws >> to the contrary are unconstitutional. >> >> National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 >> (1977) > >One cold night, a homeless man builds and lights a bonfire that destroys >a family's manicured lawn. Elsewhere, a well-known redneck erects and >burns a wooden cross, destroying the lawn of a black family. > >To your mind, are these infractions fully equivalent to each other? > Both are illegal fires which is the crime. Why do you demand extra penalties?