Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!news.dfncis.de!not-for-mail From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) Newsgroups: sci.physics.research Subject: Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector? Date: 10 Aug 2024 06:16:00 GMT Organization: Stefan Ram Lines: 50 Approved: hees@itp.uni-frankfurt.de (sci.physics.research) Message-ID: References: X-Trace: news.dfncis.de /8xhf7rMcRHRcUIaCkQIvA7Bxq1Mk00B+FxIJ3xp9pm5K7EZbsok6yuwmZ Cancel-Lock: sha1:9cV1Zkwu7IGyYu0/szFWtnhaPHI= sha256:heXBjgj6/SyxugPrZAbfHYyxalKIidFeymB0VnKfXuI= Bytes: 1927 ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) schrieb oder zitierte: >How can I see that (given that q' is a tangential vector) >p is a cotangential vector? Here's a little calculation I whipped up in the realm of good old classical mechanics, no relativity involved. I'm starting with the well-known formula E = 1/2 m v^2 Using Cartan's calculus, from this, I come up with: dE = m v dv + 1/2 v^2 dm. And since dm = 0 (I assume the mass is constant): dE = p dv. Now let's write out the implied scalar product as "*": dE = p * dv. This "p *" is now a covector acting like a linear function, mapping changes in velocity (a vector) to changes in energy (a scalar). BTW, we also can derive the "other" relationship dE = v dp! Writing "1/2 m v^2" as "1/2 m v v", we can see that E = 1/2 p v , so, dE = 1/2 p dv + 1/2 v dp . But since we already had established that dE is "p dv" for a constant mass m, "1/2 p dv" must be "1/2 dE", so that, dE = 1/2 dE + 1/2 v dp. Subtracting "1/2 dE" on both sides gives: 1/2 dE = 1/2 v dp, and multiplication by 2, dE = v dp. So, dE is both "v dp" and "p dv" when the mass m is constant!