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From: John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 18:40:45 -0700
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On 4/25/24 6:31 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
> Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 16:16:59 -0400, Ron Dean
>> <rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 03:03:03 -0400, Ron Dean
>> [...]
>>>>>   From then, each succeeding generation the
>>>>> deleterious mutations multiplied. I think possibly the proofreading 
>>>>> and
>>>>> repair, which was an elegantly and highly sophisticated design set up
>>>>> for the best results, but over the vast spans of time even the P&R
>>>>> mechanisms, which initially were perfect, but with the passage of time
>>>>> even the P&R became less perfect due to bad mutations that slipped
>>>>> passed the P&R mechanisms, consequent the P&R systems were 
>>>>> affected. The
>>>>> results we see today.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I wish you would dress my actual question - where does your
>>>> intelligent designer fit into that process?
>>>>
>>> It seems that after the task was completed it said "It is done".
>>
>> Why do you think that happened?
>  >
> Disappointment maybe. Man's inhumanity to man: wars, murders, thief, 
> rape etc etc. is a possibility. If we were puppets on a string, perhaps 
> this would not have happens, IOW had we been denied free agency we might 
> still be in its good graces. I strongly suspect God turned it's back of 
> this planet and it's inhabitants, due to it's disappointment..
>>
>>> left things with the capacity and ability  to take care of itself.
>>
>> And how did that turn out for him, given the pervasiveness of
>> extinction?
>  >
> I think due to gradual increasing genetic errors and increase rate of 
> deleterious mutations each generation becomes  less fit than the 
> preceding generation, so in the passing spans of time the genes of a 
> species become less and less incapable of reproduction or species 
> survival. This could account for many of 99%+ of of all species that 
> ever lived that have gone extinct. Of course the dinosaurs became 
> extinct due to a 6 mile diameter meteor striking the Earth. Also 
> changing weather the coming and going of ice ages; as well massive 
> volcano eruptions  accounts for extinction of many species for example 
> in Siberia.
>>> It
>>> seems that the designer left the scene. Over time and the 2ND law
>>> everything enters into downward tends, copying errors occur, things tend
>>> to disintegrate and inevitably things move towards dissolution and
>>> decay.
>>
>> If you believe the Designer is God, perhaps you could fill us in on
>> what we should expect to see if that designer was responsible for
>> life's diversity. What should we be looking for to prove or disprove
>> your "hypothesis"?
>  >
> Falsify the existence of a designer(God)? I've only recently come to 
> that conclusion. One on the strongest evidence for a God, as far as I'm 
> concerned, is the infusion of information in this planet I'm convinced 
> that no one absolutely _knows_ how information arose in via natural 
> processes in a blind, purposeless, random and mindless universe. But if 
> you deny the existence of God, then you have no other options: all 
> that's left for you are educated guesses, hypothesis and theories, 
> because but no knows how natural processes originated information.
> Furthermore high levels of complex information comes from a mind.

I don't think you have a coherent hypothesis here. You need some idea of 
how new species arise. When? If they're descended from other species how 
does the genome quality reset? If not, are they all created 
independently throughout earth history, poof? But the average fossil 
species lasts from 1-10 million years. Does your genetic deterioration 
take that long, and if so, shouldn't we still be in pretty good shape?