Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: 1972 Legnano in the news Date: 13 Nov 2024 18:29:58 GMT Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <8ncvijlu04i6u3ujr5454a6t4sciab6pud@4ax.com> <3ic1jj5bsevrg3g4h2njh7vn762hecp5oe@4ax.com> <58u2jj9t74sk7ior8iquj15f2ai7bcouu6@4ax.com> <87v7wsunz2.fsf@mothra.home> <1jp8jjtp74nusa915rj7qkvk4lg8jllghm@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net YQQHKYOkIXr2o968I4NAJwD2n9nvirp8kgJZXAWidnKMHvvQw9 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Sl6ZbMAngYzixJ+zWxQDNgIelQE= sha1:56k1s42vmO5shO60VG7tg0LKdBI= sha256:3v3na3vDYomUsOqO7+bM93kB/owXgq3dqeWvmmA+Vdo= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Bytes: 4551 Catrike Ryder wrote: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:50:31 -0600, AMuzi wrote: > >> On 11/13/2024 2:42 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 15:06:28 +0700, John B. >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 21:29:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11/12/2024 4:44 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I just did a web search for "walking helmet", and got pages of stuff on >>>>>> helmets for babies and toddlers learning to walk. I guess that's a >>>>>> thing these days; I must be out of touch. Perhaps one day we'll see a >>>>>> generation unwilling to step outside without a helmet. >>>>> >>>>> That'll be a sad day indeed. But the general trend toward "Danger! >>>>> Danger!" warnings is strong. At one time, Safe Kids recommended that no >>>>> kid under age 10 be allowed to cross a street alone. >>>> >>>> They still do. The entire post is: >>>> "Children under 10 need to cross the street with an adult. Every child >>>> is different, but developmentally, most kids are unable to judge the >>>> speed and distance of oncoming cars until age 10." >>>> >>>> See: >>>> https://www.healthday.com/health-news/public-health/kids-can-t-accurately-judge-speed-of-approaching-cars-study-646577.html >>>> https://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/study-claims-children-cannot-judge-speeds-above-20mph-1334/ >>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101123101539.htm >>>> https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2010/11/26/children-cannot-accurately-see-vehicles-going-above-20-mph/38323/ >>>> https://www.parenthub.com.au/news/kids-news/why-children-struggle-to-cross-busy-streets-safely/ >>>> https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/news/26119/-kids-can-t-perceive-fast-traffic >>>> https://swov.nl/en/fact/children-how-do-children-develop-and-how-does-affect-road-safety >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And there's this: >>>>> https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Bicycle-Safety.jpg >>>>> (Thanks, Jeff.) >>> >>> I believe governments have an obligation to >>> protect children. To what extent that protection should go is >>> detirmined by the voters in that jurisdiction. >>> >>> -- >>> C'est bon >>> Soloman >> >> Where's the line? I'm glad it's not my decision but I always >> told my daughter, regarding grandsons, 'If you carry your >> babies everywhere, you're raising cripples'. I gave her a >> copy of: >> >> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6250260-free-range-kids >> >> which lit that light in her, to everyone's benefit. > > You're talking to the gallery, here. I was raised on a farm, where, > preschool rainy day playtime was up high in the haymow or in the > machine shed. There were more days where I went to bed with a band > aide to keep from bleeding on the sheets than days when I didn't. > > That said, there is government responsibility to protect children. I > don't know where the line should be. That's for the voters to decide. Not sure I’d know where the line is but certainly within reason my hunch is to push back at motorised transport certainly in built up areas who bring the risk, and thus need to shoulder the responsibility. > > -- > C'est bon > Soloman > Roger Merriman