Path: ...!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 20:14:36 +0000 From: john larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Expedition to Europa Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 13:14:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: <63br7jpf7le468rnljlfhaol4432dt70lq@4ax.com> <667f96cb$0$2873004$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 73 X-Trace: sv3-1TxRKR6Nbmrrvo6CkeSC80YPaWf78ejXlZY6WlKYdW4XhIt+2OW9kBX3iCGS0EMAi8dw8U/DkxJLvHU!TcaG0M4xUtSDMpPcpU8y5IwPDAGSxHwPiY+gGy/ZD4ecFMZ2AoEuM4R1A7qcKC8rKLd2An/ciJAq!uEaKmw== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4059 On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 18:41:07 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs wrote: >john larkin wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 11:35:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:04:11 -0700, Don Y >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/28/2024 10:08 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>>> On 6/27/2024 5:17 PM, Don Y wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Most big librarys carry AW. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it turns out that there is life in the ocean of Europa, which has >>>>>>> existed for something like four billion years, it supports the general >>>>>>> idea of "random but inevitable"?ies of Abiogenesis. >>>>>> >>>>>> _Remembrance of Earth's Past_ has an interesting take on the whole >>>>>> notion behind an "empty" universe.? a tedious read (mainly for >>>>>> me coming from a non-chinese culture... just keeping track of the >>>>>> characters is difficult) but has some good ideas to chew on at its core. >>>>> >>>>> My guess: The Universe is mammoth, the technological and energy requirements of >>>>> even short-distance interstellar travel are immense, the lifespan of >>>>> technological civilizations is highly time-limited before such a civilization >>>>> destroys itself, technological civilizations are very rare to begin with, and >>>>> no technological civilization ever survives long enough to attempt it. >>>> >>>> That wouldn't explain why there are no *signs* of intelligent life. >>>> >>>> *We* can't (yet) travel interstellar distances in single lifetimes >>>> but I'm sure anyone with technology comparable to ours would be able to >>>> *detect* our presence (given that we seem to make no attempt at "hiding") >>>> >>>> _If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ... WHERE IS EVERYBODY?_ gives some >>>> interesting takes on the Fermi paradox. >>> >>> That's a bit self-important. >>> >>> If the universe is teaming with life, but alien civilizations capable >>> of interstellar travel are exceedingly rare, there would be little >>> reason for those spacefaring aliens to visit any but the other >>> advanced alien civilizations. >>> >>> We might get the equivalent of an anthropologist ever few million >>> year, and they would do whatever needed to prevent detection by that >>> which they study. >>> >>> Joe Gwinn >> >> An intelligent alien lifeform is probably thousands of light-years >> away. Unless they have a Warp Drive, there's no way they would want to >> visit us. >> >> A very advanced robot might. >> >> > >https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/V%27ger > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_(novel_series)