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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:15 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 08:11:26 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>>On 06/08/2024 17:03, Werner P. wrote:
>>> Am 06.08.24 um 10:56 schrieb JAB:
>>>> Is one of the qualifications of being a CEO that you are completely 
>>>> clueless about your own market?
>>> 
>>> She is probably or very likely an MBA who got a shot at being a CEO 
>>> without having any clue about the products they are selling! But she 
>>> probably can sell herself really well, by convincing clueless people 
>>> that she is the right woman for a high paying job. This looks more like 
>>> another nail into the coffin of Logitech!
>>> 
>>> Not sure why she was chosen, only the Logitech Board of directors can 
>>> explain that. But generally european companies after the founders retire
>>> (tech companies always are founded by engineers) MBAs, clueless Bankers 
>>> and laywers take over on the board of directors and CEO level and even 
>>> in second management often coming from consulting firms and crossing 
>>> over straight at that level, usually this is the beginning of the end 
>>> and once this has been ongoing long enough the company goes down.
>>> Engineers in Europe unless they run their own company usually hit a 
>>> glass ceiling at middle management max where they cannot move higher!
>>> While often MBAs and Laywers start at that level where the engineering 
>>> ends! Thats also one of the main reasons why europe has been falling 
>>> wayside technically compared to the US and other regions!
>>> 
>>> The prime example was Nokia of old which in the end was run by Laywers 
>>> and MBAs
>>> who did not have any clue on how far reaching the impact of the iPhone was.
>>> 
>>> The lower engineering levels tried to steer the ship into the right 
>>> direction but the board of directors chose to hire a Microsoft MBA CEO 
>>> which already people thought upfront was a juggernout to break the 
>>> mobile division away and sell it off to M$. It came es expected, the 
>>> first move from the CEO was to break all bridges which could work to 
>>> steer Nokia entirely to the Windows Mobile division of Microsoft and 
>>> later sell it off.
>>> 
>>
>>I certainly saw a lot of that as time progressed over the years. So we 
>>started with the senior engineer of the team running the project and 
>>then we moved to something I think was a good idea of having a project 
>>manager who was there there to put timescales together, get estimates, 
>>track progress etc. but they weren't the one who made the decisions of 
>>how the project was run. It stated to go down hill when project 
>>management expanded it's scoped into actually directing the project and 
>>the advent of department heads with no background in engineering or even 
>>worse the failed engineer.
>>
>>Two ones that I particularly remember were that all engineers in the 
>>company (so several hundred of varying disciplines) would be classified 
>>and graded so when it can to setting up a project you would be given a 
>>pool of engineers as a resource. Fortunately only lip service was paid 
>>to it as it was completely unworkable. Whoever dreamt that idea up had 
>>no idea about domain knowledge and how important it is to developing 
>>products - a line encrypter and a Typhoon simulator, basically the same 
>>thing surely? Another was when the project was going badly, which 
>>apparently had nothing to do with how it was run but instead it was all 
>>the engineers fault, the madcap idea was that a start of the week each 
>>person would be given a set number of tasks/hours and they could only 
>>work on them. It was pointed out that this just doesn't work for a 
>>development environment but was rolled out a different site anyway. 
>>After a month or so it was then quietly dropped.
>>
>>Did I say two I meant three and this is a classic case of I read a book 
>>so this will work. To try and have a more dynamic/flexible workforce 
>>they looked at what Google did and decided that the office should be 
>>painted in different bright colours, I kid you not. We said maybe having 
>>coffee and tea making facilities would be a better use of the money!
>
>
> I think anyone who's ever worked in any business of size has
> experienced this. 
>
> It's not that all top-level execs are clueless. I've worked at some
> places where the execs knew their stuff; they knew the product, knew
> they clients, knew the process to get the one from the other. Often,
> this was because they had helped nuture the company from the start,
> but in some instances they were a hire who arrived long after the
> company was established and did the work to understand. I didn't
> always agree with their decisions, but they never came off as
> completely clueless.
>
> And then there are the other types. The many bad apples who ruin it
> for the few. The ones who look at everything as if it were a
> spreadsheet and try to min-max their scores. The ones who ignore what
> the experienced, 'lower tier' workers say. The ones who have an idea
> of what the business SHOULD be and will try to force it into that
> configuaration, whether it's a good idea or not or possible or not.
>
> Unfortunately, modern capitalism too often rewards this latter group,
> because immediate gains are more impressive than long-term stability.
> "Look, I saved the company five million dollars by firing all our
> experienced personnel and replacing them with fresh-faced temps! So
> what if the product now bursts into flame and our customers are
> abandonning us in droves! That's a problem for the NEXT guy!"
>
> Even more than the general abuse heaped upon employees -the overwork,
> the shortchanging, the general neglect- it was this STUPIDITY that
> drove me nuts. How could it not? I (and my co-workers) would pour so
> much effort into a product or business and then we'd watch some
> self-important MBA destroy the company. Sure, their antics sometimes
> meant I ended up with more cash in my pocket, but at a cost to the
> company, the other employees and the customers. Those extra cash in my
> pocket was never the salve you might expect. I'd much rather a smaller
> paycheck knowing the company is on good footing rather than chasing
> after some bonus that came at the expense of common sense. I've _left_
> good jobs because of nonsense like that (but I'm lucky that I could
> afford to do that. Not everyone has that option). 
>
>
>
> But... video-games, video-games. How to make this relate to
> video-games?
>
>
>
> There have been a lot of business-management sims, but most of them
> play it straight. I wonder if there's ever been an vulture capitalist
> work-place simulator video game. "Buy companies and strip them off
> their assets for your own gain!" 
>
> I can't think of any... but it probably exists. There are workplace
> sims for every profession nowadays.


I kinda feel like Cookie Clicker is sorta like that?
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