Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Your Name Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS messaging is involved Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:08:28 +1300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 22:08:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3acf3f2105d987cb1269cf2ee9b8bdc8"; logging-data="2888573"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/HxPXp4V6qhQ4iuax+SY4b1RZ0nQrlzsM=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:iLhmjdD14pW/rcroT4fM6jRLuLs= Bytes: 4570 On 2024-04-01 14:57:08 +0000, badgolferman said: > Your Name wrote: >> On 2024-04-01 00:55:13 +0000, Tamborino said: >>> >>> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and >>> Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted. >>> >>> Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end >>> encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default. >>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone- >>> 16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/ So unlike >>> iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android >>> users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android >>> users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of >>> security. >>> >>> This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its >>> lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less >>> private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are >>> unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, >>> Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to >>> Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which >>> would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and >>> other smartphone users." >> >> Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking >> about. :-\ >> >> A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in >> later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post) >> >> B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple >> devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to >> their developers, not Apple): >> >> "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end, >> so they can't be read while they're sent between devices." > > This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption > between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen > but are unwilling to. More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above, Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form. > If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child > stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..." > > "So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between > Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and > Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level > of security." Wrong ... "Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end encryption part of the RCS standard." Apple wants RCS to have a proper standard for encryption and not rely on Google's version, which for any one who knows Google (or Microsoft's attempts to cripple HTML) knows is obviously a good thing. Just in today's news is that Google's Chrome browser still collects data for Google even when in the supposedly private 'Incognito' mode - Google simply cannot be trusted, which is yet another good reason to avoid Android OS. > "If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted > messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..." As above.