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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Isidore of Seville died (4-4-636) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 12:05:08 +1300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <uunbna$u8nn$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: r.clark@auckland.ac.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 23:05:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="28f710d36e56d4b74e2143bb7ed767f4"; logging-data="991991"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+LFq15ao8L9q9e/7TfczzfuBocCtPA3fo=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ttlh1vBTHiRf8o8ChTEsuXAjCqI= X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.eternal-september.org:119 Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2511 "the last scholar of the ancient world" (Montalembert, per Wiki) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isidore_of_Seville his _Etymologiae_ (first encyclopedia of the Christian era) Complete Latin text here: https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Isidore/home.html 2006 English translation here: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/etymologies-of-isidore-of-seville/F2336BA779D4ED95E6D25AAE2CCBAD25# and here!: https://sfponline.org/Uploads/2002/st%20isidore%20in%20english.pdf _Etymologiae_ is also known as _Origines_, which seems less misleading. It does contain many etymologies in our modern sense (histories of words). Most of them are (to our understanding) wrong. Crystal's example: "Wine (vinum) is so called because it replenishes the veins (vena) with blood." About these Isidore writes: The knowledge of a word's etymology often has an indespensable usefulness for interpreting the word, for when you have seen whence a word has originated, you understand its force more quickly. On the strength of this, Crystal convicts Isidore of committing the "etymological fallacy"*, but I don't think it's quite that. A correct etymology can often help us to understand what a word has come to mean. Even an incorrect etymology may be a useful mnemonic in some cases. *"the view that an earlier (or the oldest) meaning of a word is the correct one" (Crystal, Dictionary of Linguistics and Phonetics, 4th ed.)