Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: the Republican anti-anti-Semitism on college campuses bill Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 23:00:41 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 146 Message-ID: References: <20240502174315.00006c52@example.com> <17cc3f5499b4321c$231968$197378$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 05:00:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c0f541925df08c960af63bbaee4b4974"; logging-data="1743189"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19uUKlCLxOFCcEj9nvbIeNC" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:8GFqxyO/YG+g6CAn//ahEf1eGDA= In-Reply-To: <17cc3f5499b4321c$231968$197378$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 8828 On 5/4/24 5:33 AM, trotsky wrote: > On 5/3/24 11:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >> Rhino wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 17:37:44 -0000 (UTC) >>> "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >>> >>>> I'm trying to figure out if I support the legislation that passed the >>>> House yesterday defining anti-Semitism and requiring the Department of >>>> Education to use the definition to determine whether a university has >>>> failed to take action against anti-Semitism. Department of Education >>>> may be required to cut federal funding for universities found to be >>>> disriminating. >>>> >>>> Anti-Semitism is an expression of thought. The definition, which >>>> includes in its definition of anti-Semitism the criticism of Israel >>>> that tends to apply uniquely to Israel and no other nation on earth, >>>> is possibly a reasonable one. >>>> >>>> The incidents of speech can certainly be labeled as anti-Semitic, >>>> along with incidents in which threats, intimidation, vandalism, and >>>> violence have occurred. >>>> >>>> Is the legislation requiring universities to shut down protests or >>>> punish those participating in the protests if there is no finding that >>>> the speech also included threats and intimidation? >>>> >>>> Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) opposed the legislation on >>>> religious grounds. Do I look to her for leadership on religion or >>>> anything at all? She wrote that she would not vote for the law >>>> because it "could convict Christians of antisemitism for believing >>>> the gospel that says Jesus was handed over to Herod to be crucified >>>> by the Jews." This has been used as justification for violence >>>> against Jews over the centuries. >>>> >>> I could really benefit from some facts here. My knowledge of the >>> details from either a Christian or Jewish perspective is extremely >>> limited here. >>> >>> I know that Jesus was crucified at Herod's behest. Herod was a King but >>> did he actually have the power to order the execution on his own >>> initiative or was he simply doing as the Roman emperor directed without >>> any realistic possibility of dissenting? And what was Herod's own >>> religion? Was he Jewish? Was he a popular leader among the Jews? (Yes, >>> I know that is a silly question given that very few people had much say >>> over who was going to be their king: it's not like he was elected! But >>> kings, however they can be get that job, can be anywhere on a spectrum >>> from widely loved to massively despised. I'm just curious where Herod >>> was among the people he ruled.) What were the sentiments of the Jewish >>> community about Jesus? I knew Jesus was Jewish but I don't know if most >>> Jews thought well of him or if they thought he was some kind of >>> harmless weirdo or dangerous heretic. >>> >>> Also, how did Jesus come to be in Herod's custody? What actual crime >>> did he commit? Who arrested him? Was his crime seen by agents of the >>> King (the equivalent to today's police) or was he turned in by an >>> informer? I know Judas is supposed to have a part in this - I remember >>> something about Judas getting 30 pieces of silver to denounce Jesus - >>> but again, I don't remember details. Did Judas actually slink into a >>> police station-equivalent and rat out Jesus? Or was he rounded up and >>> tortured into denouncing Jesus? >>> >>> I think I need to know all this in order to form an opinion on Greene's >>> concerns. I should point out that I've heard accusations of >>> wing-nuttery against Greene, especially by the "progressive" media, but >>> I've never heard a single clip directly from her where she explains her >>> views about anything so I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt >>> initially, even though I utterly loathe the idea that she's trying to >>> protect a justification for launching anti-Jewish pogroms. >>> >>>> I heard excerpts of the bill's sponsor's speech on the House floor on >>>> C-SPAN this morning. Michael Lawler (R-New York) is the lead sponsor. >>>> He explained that he was trying to help college leaders understand >>>> what anti-Semitism is because they have so much trouble noticing it >>>> taking place. I couldn't stop laughing. >>>> >>> Bravo to Lawler for his wit! >>>> The bill's sponsors stated that the bill includes language that does >>>> not thwart criticism of the government of Israel. I'm not sure. The >>>> anti-Semitic criticism of Israel they are trying to thwart could be an >>>> expression of anti-Semitism (under the definition) and may not be an >>>> attempt to threaten or intimidate. It's possible to be anti-Semitic >>>> without making a death threat. >>>> >>>> These are my concerns. I haven't thus far found concerns stated by >>>> Democrats who opposed the legislation to be all that specific to >>>> concerns they claim to have over the potential for free speech to be >>>> stifled. >>>> >>> Yet somehow I feel sure the Democrats would be EXTREMELY unhappy if any >>> new law limited the right of their precious "progressive" students from >>> being as anti-Israel/anti-Semitic as they wanted to be. >>>> Even if Republicans supporting this legislation have the moral high >>>> ground -- and they do appear to -- I don't want speech stifled. >>>> >>> A worthy goal! >>>> Even those students supporting Hamas might have been represented by >>>> David Goldberger to protect their civil right to free speech, in the >>>> olden days in which the ACLU represented Kluxers and neo-Nazis so that >>>> the rest of us might speak freely. >>> >>> That was then, this is now. My perception is that the ACLU has morphed >>> beyond recognition into a hard-core anti-capitalist left wing group of >>> advocates. >> >> Matt Walsh summed up my thoughts on the bill and the absolute >> inability of >> Republicans to take a win without cocking it all up: >> >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5FadIjHlYcM&t=608s >> >> There's no way I'll support anything that gives foreign governments the >> ability to set the limits of acceptable speech in America. > > > Does "supporting things" whilst being an anonyshit carry a lot of weight > then? Again, Thanny cites another right wing fanatic MAGA troll. This time Matt Walsh. Who is Matt Walsh that Thanny wants to cite? This fucking guy! On cartoons and anime: > “It’s really popular amongst teens and young adults. I think it’s all satanic,” he declared before noting he had no evidence to back up that assertion. > “I have no argument for it. I have no argument for why it’s satanic,” Walsh added. “It just seems that way to me. All anime to me seems weird—just like bizarre, creepy.” > > The Daily Wire provocateur and apparently self-appointed self-help guru wrapped up by declaring that adults should never watch animated movies or series. > “In general, I don’t think that adults should be—whether it’s anime or any other kind of cartoon, with rare exception—adults really shouldn’t be watching cartoons in general, I would say,” he stated. So cartoons are now "satanic". Matt Walsh is nothing more than a homophobic troll. So, naturally, he's Thanny's go-to guy. -- "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0 Gracie, age 6. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0