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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: feathers (and one bird) Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 18:28:08 -0500 Organization: University of Ediacara Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v1ouua$5r6v$1@solani.org> References: <v1o9fl$5fep$1@solani.org> <v1oevf$26f0c$2@dont-email.me> <v1oo1h$28jvd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="97918"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:0lYhu8HtGUnfhN3t5hIhENyQpVg= Return-Path: <news@reader6.news.weretis.net> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id B516D229786; Sat, 11 May 2024 19:28:10 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C4F229767 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 11 May 2024 19:28:08 -0400 (EDT) id 895655DC4A; Sat, 11 May 2024 23:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 682A85DC40 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 11 May 2024 23:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pmx.weretis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C48F3E8E4 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 12 May 2024 01:28:11 +0200 (CEST) id D95123E861; Sun, 12 May 2024 01:28:10 +0200 (CEST) X-User-ID: eJwFwQERADEIAzBLA9pyyOHZ8C/hE4ZMkxAFLten6S/iVQKJ9sqa57u00vU+lCVS/QFXPD8ODxBL In-Reply-To: <v1oo1h$28jvd$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-CA Bytes: 3825 Lines: 33 On 2024-05-11 4:30 PM, FromTheRafters wrote: > JTEM presented the following explanation : >> DB Cates wrote: >> >>> "In October 2022 a bird with the code name B6 set a new world record >>> that few people outside the field of ornithology noticed. Over the >>> course of 11 days, B6, a young Bar-tailed Godwit, flew from its >>> hatching ground in Alaska to its wintering ground in Tasmania, >>> covering 8,425 miles without taking a single break. For comparison, >>> there is only one commercial aircraft that can fly that far nonstop, >>> a Boeing 777 with a 213-foot wingspan and one of the most powerful >>> jet engines in the world. During its journey, B6—an animal that could >>> perch comfortably on your shoulder—did not land, did not eat, did not >>> drink and <i>did not stop flapping</i>, sustaining an average ground >>> speed of 30 miles per hour 24 hours a day as it winged its way to the >>> other end of the world. >> >> It's not hard to imagine them tagging a bird, tracking it with GPS, >> but to know that it was continuously flapping it's wings? > > https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/48/1/134/627446 > I suppose with a rigorous enough definition of "continuous beating" they don't. But they are physically incapable of long gliding like an albatross but it is likely they use continuous beating with occasional short pauses, a common thing. But they know it never stopped or fed (continuous tracking) and it can't land on water without dying (can't feed and can't take off). The only time I've ever seen a shorebird gliding is when it is coming in for a landing. -- -- Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)