Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 21:06:28 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 01:06:29 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1380276"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2977 Lines: 54 On 5/17/24 11:30 AM, olcott wrote: > On 5/17/2024 2:25 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 17.mei.2024 om 03:15 schreef olcott: >>> The following is self-evidently true on the basis of the >>> semantics of the C programming language. >>> >>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function >>> 00 int H(ptr x, ptr x); >>> 01 int D(ptr x) >>> 02 { >>> 03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x); >>> 04   if (Halt_Status) >>> 05     HERE: goto HERE; >>> 06   return Halt_Status; >>> 07 } >>> 08 >>> 09 int main() >>> 10 { >>> 11   H(D,D); >>> 12   return 0; >>> 13 } >>> >>> In the above case a simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly >>> emulates at least one of the x86 instructions of D in the order >>> specified by the x86 instructions of D. >>> >>> This may include correctly emulating the x86 instructions of H >>> in the order specified by the x86 instructions of H thus calling >>> H(D,D) in recursive simulation. >>> >>> Any H/D pair matching the above template where >>> D(D) is simulated by the same H(D,D) that it calls >>> cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt. >>> >>> *This is a simple software engineering verified fact* >>> >> >> Note that olcott defines 'verified fact' as 'proven fact', but he is >> unable to show the proof. So, it must be read as 'my belief'. > > It is self-evidently true to anyone having sufficient knowledge > of the semantics of the C programming language. > Which, since I posted over two weeks ago how to do it in C, means that you don't have the needed knowledge of the C programming language, or about what truth actually is. THAT is now self-evidently true. And the fact that you refuse to take up any of my challenges to have me repost the link (because you clearly prefer to just lie rather that try to do some research) it is clear that you are not actually certain of your claim, so you know you may be lying, but you do it anyway.