Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: True on the basis of meaning --- Good job Richard ! ---Socratic method Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 13:38:05 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 17:38:05 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1471736"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4024 Lines: 54 On 5/18/24 1:26 PM, olcott wrote: > On 5/18/2024 11:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 5/18/24 12:48 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 5/18/2024 9:32 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 5/18/24 10:15 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 5/18/2024 7:43 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> No, your system contradicts itself. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You have never shown this. >>>>> The most you have shown is a lack of understanding of the >>>>> Truth Teller Paradox. >>>> >>>> No, I have, but you don't understand the proof, it seems because you >>>> don't know what a "Truth Predicate" has been defined to be. >>>> >>> >>> My True(L,x) predicate is defined to return true or false for every >>> finite string x on the basis of the existence of a sequence of truth >>> preserving operations that derive x from >> >> And thus, When True(L, p) established a sequence of truth preserving >> operations eminationg from ~True(L, p) by returning false, it >> contradicts itself. The problem is that True, in making an answer of >> false, has asserted that such a sequence exists. >> > On 5/13/2024 9:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > On 5/13/24 10:03 PM, olcott wrote: > >> On 5/13/2024 7:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > >>> > >>> Remember, p defined as ~True(L, p) ... > >> > >> Can a sequence of true preserving operations applied > >> to expressions that are stipulated to be true derive p? > > No, so True(L, p) is false > >> > >> Can a sequence of true preserving operations applied > >> to expressions that are stipulated to be true derive ~p? > > > > No, so False(L, p) is false, > > > > *To help you concentrate I repeated this* > The Liar Paradox and your formalized Liar Paradox both > contradict themselves that is why they must be screened > out as type mismatch error non-truth-bearers *BEFORE THAT OCCURS* And the Truth Predicate isn't allowed to "filter" out expressions. So, you are just proving your ignorance of what you talk about. You don't seem to understand that ALL actually means ALL And, your repeating the claim, just shows that you are an ignorant pathoological liar.