Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: piglet Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Optocoupler datasheets Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 08:55:19 +0100 Organization: A patent noisesome spinner Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <66574685$0$2363143$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 09:55:22 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8b3bcd9e7eadf67b0b48c39501c26114"; logging-data="1696050"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+4i2vRX+x/xWlNHUL0crz2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:YMXSw2uGpqbr+b6Wz7xf1i0CaTc= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2842 On 30/05/2024 03:16, boB wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2024 22:03:51 +0100, Clive Arthur > wrote: > >> On 29/05/2024 16:15, bitrex wrote: >>> Optocoupler datasheets seem like kind of a mess, I try not to use them >>> too often in situations where there's any kind of power budget because >>> other than "shove some relatively huge current through the LED like 5-10 >>> mA" it's hard to know what you can get away with. >>> >>> A light load on the transistor side will definitely reduce the forward >>> current required (and of course slow the speed to a crawl) but who can >>> say by how much while still ensuring the thing will turn on sufficiently >>> to saturate the output? >>> >>> The CTR varies widely from process variation, varies with temperature, >>> varies with collector emitter voltage, varies with forward current, and >>> the data sheets are full of caveats like "At I_f < 1 mA, note CTR >>> variation may increase" and "Graphs are representative, not indicative >>> of actual performance." ???? >>> >>> Any suggestions for how to approach methodically/mathematically >>> selecting drive current would be appreciated, thank you! ("Don't bother" >>> a valid option) >> >> Not really answering the question, but there's more than one way to skin >> a cat... >> >> https://www.nve.com/Isolators > > > You can also turn the LED off a bit faster and reduce off-time > interference/noise by pulling the anode low, activiely. > Not sure how much better it is though. > > boB I thought IREDs and LEDs are very fast, far faster than the phototransistor but someone has done as you suggest, see: piglet