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From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Deep focus on Freemason forms found in Forbidden Planet
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2024 02:39:31 -0000 (UTC)
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Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
> petertrei wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>>> We have set it down as a law to ourselves to examine
>>> things to the bottom, and not to receive upon credit,
>>> or reject upon probability, until these have passed a
>>> due examination. - Bacon's Natural History.
>>> 
>>> _The Tempest_ is popularly interpreted as an allegory for Freemason
>>> initiation [1][2]. And some Shakespearean scholars simultaneously see
>>> _Forbidden Planet_ as an adaptation of _The Tempest_ [3][4].
>>> Given all of the above, it's fun to forage for Freemason forms in
>>> _Forbidden Planet_."
>>> The link below shows some symbols spotted in the movie along with
>>> associated commentary. Views expressed are for informational purposes
>>> only; they do not constitute an endorsement or an approval of
>>> Freemasonry, Shakespeare, or Bacon.
>>> 
>>> <https://crcomp.net/arts/forbidden/index.php>
>>> 
>>> Do you see other, overlooked, occult Freemason symbols in
>>> _Forbidden Planet_? Append any additional speculative symbology you spot
>>> to this thread.
>> 
>> Whoo boy. You're playing in *my* house now.
>> 
>> I'm a Freemason, and have been one for over 35 years.
>> I know a thing or two.
>> 
>> I'm going to accept, as everyone does, that Forbidden Planet is
>> a homage to The Tempest.
>> 
>> The 'popular interpretation' is better characterized as 'a couple
>> of people wrote speculative essays'.
>> 
>> Freemasonry is remarkably free of canon, and there
>> is complete freedom for any Mason to write any speculation about it he
>> wants, without fear of sanction, unless he reveals a very small number
>> of passwords, etc - all the 'real secrets' would fit on the 3x5 filecard
>> with room to spare.
>> 
>> I have, for example, a book claiming that Stonehenge was constructed as
>> a Masonic temple. This is nonsense, but the author didn't get in
>> trouble.
>> 
>> There's a very long cottage industry of claiming that this or that
>> work of art contains Masonic dogwhistles. Usually they're not supported.
>> 
>> In the case of Forbidden Planet, the things the linked essay claims
>> as 'Masonic forms' don't appear in the play - they were added for
>> the movie. Certainly, Shakespeare didn't put them there.
>> 
>> As to whether they were actually intended to invoke Freemasonry, I
>> can't rule it out. But its highly speculative, and I strongly
>> doubt it. Some are too strained (the Krell doorways), some have errors
>> (the staircase),  some have far more mundane explanations (Cookies
>> apron, the celestial globe), and some are just too common to require
>> a Masonic explanation (the star blowing up).
>> 
>> [Prediction, based on years of trying to debunk nonsense about
>> Freemasonry. Don will say some combination of:
>> 
>> * You're low level, and don't know the real secrets.
>> * You're high level, and are hiding the real secrets.
>> * My internet sources are better than your lived experience.
> 
> Please post greater detail about your "winding staircase" grievance.
> 
> On a happier note, it was fun to discover the Forty-seventh Problem of
> Euclid staring at me right in the face from the chalkboard! It tickles
> me to pull Euclid into my Masonic mosaic in the form of a new Figure.
> 
> Perhaps a wise guy can pull a pattern, a potential pièce de résistance,
> out of this paper?
> 
>     <https://crcomp.net/arts/forbidden/paper.png>
> 

The staircase need another flight, of 7 steps.

Again, the main problem with trying to to use the movie to
connect Shakespeare to the Masons that none of these
claimed 'tells' in the film appear in the play.  

Pt