Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jos Boersema Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish Subject: Torah about idolizing Moshe R.? Neither is the Redemption. Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:26:58 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 95 Message-ID: Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ddd08d8c090525f7148ce26af2bff8dd"; logging-data="1600849"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19chRo35MS7IR3+iXIqvzGh" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LmE4udQrpBw7k/IejaNy6aLWC2c= Bytes: 6246 title: Who is the Real Messiah? / Who YOU Really Are - Rav Dror source: Rav Dror - Freedom Through Faith link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuVoAvSJNUI Someone wrote to this ... "Moshiach, it will be a challenge to accept. He will face many detractors, and will ask a lot of us." Reply ... I think you already set yourselves up for failure. You think it is about a person. Is the Torah about Moshe Rabbeinu ? Does it matter what the shape of his chin was ? How long where his arms ? How fast could he run, and was he talking a lot or not so much ? Is this what it is all about ? Did he have many friends, and what was his favorite dish, if any ? Did he drink a lot, or not so much (I mean water). What color of clothes did he wear. Was the 10 words saying something like: - This is Moshe Rabbeinu, that is his name. - He is wearing something of Earthy tones. - His sandals are made from cow leather (I merely make something up here, to lilustrate). - Be like him, also wear cow leather sandals. - Drink about 4 pints of water a day, just like Moshe Rabbeinu. Is that what it is all about ? Obviously not. It is about what laws to follow, what is good, and what to do with important issues such as land ownership, money, work, the basics of a family, war, etc. However, this is how people think about 'moshiach', it is only about the person and "will we or will we not accept THE PERSON". That's redicilulous and shameful, it is also idoltary and just all around stupid. It is about how to live, and much of that you can make up for yourself, like do you prefer bagels or cookies, fish or meat, soup of bread, or all of it. Do you want to be a fisherman, a farmer, working with wood, a mucisian, or all of it, something else, etc. Do you want to marry this or that person. Some things though, you can not make up, if you want to be a good person, and that is what the Torah is about. For example, you are not going to be a bandit in the woods, to kill people for their money (extreme example). You are also going to give loans without interest to the poor if you are Jewish, and nullify these loans in the 7th year. People are looking apparently for another human King, another dictator, to idolize and worship that person, to talk all day about what pants color he chose that day, or search high and low to get the same shoes. How about we all start riding donkeys (hmm... donkey racing could be interesting though, lol). See, writing like this, people don't want it, because they are mindless. Nothing going on in the upper chamber. A hollow drum filled with some emotions about their social interactions as of late, and usually nothing much more. A vacuum, without arguments, without logic, without care. They want another human King. They want the BOSS aspect of Moshe Rabbeinu, so to say, but not the Torah aspect, the _truth and Justice_ aspect, the *law* aspect, which is far more important and long lasting. In this way you have set yourselve already up for failure, because you are merely looking for someone to subjugate yourselves to, to idolize, someone like the Roman Emperor or some high ranking General in some army. A BOSS, an alpha Baboon with stripes on his jacket, a super man who will kill your enemies for you, and accidentally drop sacks of gold every morning at your doorstep, so you can feast and call it heaven. You don't want to hear about important laws which are broken by the Jewish people, such as the mentioned interest free loans, to be forgiven in the 7th year. Truth is of no interest, no worse: who dares to come up with "the truth" is merely a nuisance, because in the hollow vacuum of a mindless everything boils down to little more than the screaching of animals against each other, without apparent cause or reason, let alone something you should try to understand. All the focus is constantly going to the _person_ of 'moshiach'. Therefore I think, this generation is basically over, it's lost. The Redemption cannot happen with these people. They are idolators and don't care, they want a return of the Empire of Power and domination. Look, they already have their pizza and their icecream, their lives are already perfect. What do they care about wars and rising corruption, insane financial policies and most people basically living a life of slavery ? They have a car. There is nothing more to say after that. The car is the treasure of their lives. All they need is for someone to give them a stamp of approval that they are doing wonderful and everything is fine forever now. They are looking for someone who will give them that stamp, someone like Hillel the Elder or Rambam / Maimonides, who gave their stamp to law breaking in their day (prosbul, heter iska), and have been revered and idolized for it ever since. This is what they call 'moshiach' and that is what they call 'Redemption'. Whatever they do will be stamped as just fine, keep doing it, and now they don't even have to think about anything anymore either, because their _super man_ will solve all their problems for them. This is their goal, they made their choices. The consequences will probably be ... deadly, 7 times worse than 80 years ago to be exact, if we go by the Torah. -- Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models, with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl