Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 11:14:30 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 82 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 17:14:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ab3d7bebfc6f34884c789dcb5af967e3"; logging-data="3571655"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/2foqg7ryJqOHjSuXvVAZ6" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:F7F7hv/Ua0qPyUw6xsO6INIE5A0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 5664 On 6/25/24 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > moviePig wrote: > >> On 6/21/2024 1:02 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , FPP >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/20/24 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , FPP >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/24 9:10 PM, shawn wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:28:26 -0700, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Machine gun: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily >>>>>>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual >>>>>>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the >>>>>>>> trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a >>>>>>>> result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks >>>>>>>> the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing >>>>>>>> a separate trigger pull each time. The statute you quoted above clearly >>>>>>>> says "by a SINGLE function of the trigger". If you shoot 100 rounds >>>>>>>> with a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a >>>>>>>> single function of the trigger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, you are definitely technically correct. (The best kind.) That >>>>>>> said you can see why people consider the bump stock to be the >>>>>>> equivalent of turning a weapon into an equal to a machine gun. It >>>>>>> isn't a machine gun but it ends throwing lead down field much like >>>>>>> one. I think eventually the law will be updated to include bump stocks >>>>>>> but who knows how long that will take. As no one who was involved in >>>>>>> writing the original act likely foresaw the possibility of a bump >>>>>>> stock. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Both still require the same action. A single trigger pull, with >>>>>> constant pressure. >>>>> >>>>> Which isn't the standard under the law. The law's standard is a "single >>>>> function of the trigger". As I said above, if you shoot 100 rounds with >>>>> a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single >>>>> function of the trigger. >>>>> >>>>> A semi-auto rifle physically can't fire more than one round with a >>>>> single function of the trigger. It's impossible for a semi-auto rifle to >>>>> meet the definition of "machine gun" under the NFA. >>>> >>>> You keep glossing over the fact that both machine guns and bump stocks >>>> require the same action. >>> >>> No, I'm focusing on the one thing that legally matters: a single >>> function of the trigger. It's literally impossible for a semi-auto rifle >>> to fire more than one round with a single function of the trigger. The >>> trigger mechanism must complete a full cycle of function for every round >>> that leaves the barrel. >> >> What official verbiage defines "a function of the trigger"? > > Just that: completion of a full cycle of function. > You're making this up. -- On May 30, 2024 Donald J. Trump was unanimously convicted on 34 felony counts in New York City... so I took this picture in my side yard. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0 "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0