Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Snopes Finally Debunks Left-Wing Claim of "Very Fine People" in Charlottesville Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 13:15:35 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 19:15:37 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="864d14e99f792d1401475f19d242f8f5"; logging-data="28288"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+z4VgZMc8/J7gFTE3/c0vUZvL2+Yp5Xq8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7sQiajRIlZLg7UShSHbQjSSBQ8I= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4296 On 6/29/2024 1:01 PM, moviePig wrote: > On 6/29/2024 12:22 PM, trotsky wrote: >> On 6/28/24 5:22 PM, moviePig wrote: >>> On 6/28/2024 5:10 PM, shawn wrote: >>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since been >>>>>> done, but >>>>>> the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and >>>>>> admitted the >>>>>> whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a >>>>>> hoax. I have >>>>>> no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose? >>>>> >>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/ >>>>> >>>>> Eh >>>>> >>>>> It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried >>>>> himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored >>>>> it, or >>>>> limited his comments to condemning the murder. >>>>> >>>>> I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high >>>>> moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides had >>>>> pretty low morals. >>>>> >>>>> I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments making >>>>> the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the >>>>> neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing >>>>> history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to look >>>>> the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never forget >>>>> that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the >>>>> modern >>>>> politics of that era. >>>> >>>> People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of those >>>> people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues >>>> or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew growing >>>> up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual >>>> reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and put >>>> more effort into teaching the history behind their erection. >>>> >>>> Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people forget >>>> what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after >>>> leaving school. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong. >>>> >>>> Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in >>>> the hopes that we don't repeat them. >>> >>> A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so obvious >>> a solution that you have to wonder if both sides vehemently oppose it. >> >> >> We don't need statues to learn history. > > In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it... Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are fine people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the tongue ....because Trump simply isn't suicidal. And, trying to indict him on such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones.