Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Phil Hobbs Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Expedition to Europa Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 18:41:07 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <63br7jpf7le468rnljlfhaol4432dt70lq@4ax.com> <667f96cb$0$2873004$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 20:41:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b10bf4b2ba6cd7554f87c9d5964483e6"; logging-data="65556"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX187XZdzCo9FcOff32N3PcX0" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CNBmwbs7n+ReKg7HLRTrJm3W5sI= sha1:FWcUahaSKK3ecdXjNfKiSGOfgGc= Bytes: 3950 john larkin wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 11:35:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn > wrote: > >> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:04:11 -0700, Don Y >> wrote: >> >>> On 6/28/2024 10:08 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>> On 6/27/2024 5:17 PM, Don Y wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Most big librarys carry AW. >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> If it turns out that there is life in the ocean of Europa, which has >>>>>> existed for something like four billion years, it supports the general >>>>>> idea of "random but inevitable"˙theories of Abiogenesis. >>>>> >>>>> _Remembrance of Earth's Past_ has an interesting take on the whole >>>>> notion behind an "empty" universe.˙ It's a tedious read (mainly for >>>>> me coming from a non-chinese culture... just keeping track of the >>>>> characters is difficult) but has some good ideas to chew on at its core. >>>> >>>> My guess: The Universe is mammoth, the technological and energy requirements of >>>> even short-distance interstellar travel are immense, the lifespan of >>>> technological civilizations is highly time-limited before such a civilization >>>> destroys itself, technological civilizations are very rare to begin with, and >>>> no technological civilization ever survives long enough to attempt it. >>> >>> That wouldn't explain why there are no *signs* of intelligent life. >>> >>> *We* can't (yet) travel interstellar distances in single lifetimes >>> but I'm sure anyone with technology comparable to ours would be able to >>> *detect* our presence (given that we seem to make no attempt at "hiding") >>> >>> _If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ... WHERE IS EVERYBODY?_ gives some >>> interesting takes on the Fermi paradox. >> >> That's a bit self-important. >> >> If the universe is teaming with life, but alien civilizations capable >> of interstellar travel are exceedingly rare, there would be little >> reason for those spacefaring aliens to visit any but the other >> advanced alien civilizations. >> >> We might get the equivalent of an anthropologist ever few million >> year, and they would do whatever needed to prevent detection by that >> which they study. >> >> Joe Gwinn > > An intelligent alien lifeform is probably thousands of light-years > away. Unless they have a Warp Drive, there's no way they would want to > visit us. > > A very advanced robot might. > > https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/V%27ger Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics