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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: "a Pair of Panties" ????? Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 11:12:35 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <v67ha5$2vt1l$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5t8mv$tk1f$1@dont-email.me> <v5tgf1$ukmm$1@dont-email.me> <v66kl9$2rfe4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 03:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4748f228c4a6a52987c917f7f8768b88"; logging-data="3142709"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+NjtHAs9rlBty51bFd1eG7" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:mY7Re0SuzZ5ADdFIx46iR1pojQ0= In-Reply-To: <v66kl9$2rfe4$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2524 On 05/07/24 03:03, wugi wrote: > Op 1/07/2024 om 7:56 schreef Hibou: >> There appears to be a class of things that exist only in the >> plural - a pair of tweezers, scissors, pliers, sunglasses... >> trousers, underpants, knickers, tights... - things that bifurcate >> or are made up of two bits. I suppose the briefer garments >> inherited the plural from longer ones (though a few minutes' >> searching yields no support for this; briefs were apparently in use >> in Ancient Egypt). Old English had a three-way singular/dual/plural classification, although I don't think that lasted long enough to influence how things were named in medireview times. > Why does English name all these things as pairs, being a single > object? Others like French have a few (lunettes, ciseaux). Others > like Dutch have none of it in plural or "dual". Any historic reason? For trousers there's a simple reason. At some stage they existed as three separate pieces: two leggings, plus the bit at the top that holds them together. Scissors are similar, because they are two separate arms that are held together with a screw or something equivalent. Eyeglasses have a single frame, but then two separate lenses have to be inserted into the frame. But of course none of this explains why those objects are singular in some languages and plural in others. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW