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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is Correctly rejected as non-halting V2 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 16:03:30 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <v742r2$s48s$2@dont-email.me> References: <v6rg65$32o1o$3@dont-email.me> <v6sdlu$382g0$1@dont-email.me> <v6td3a$3ge79$1@dont-email.me> <v6tp1j$3imib$2@dont-email.me> <v6trdu$3irhh$1@dont-email.me> <v6tu01$3imib$11@dont-email.me> <a177dd76613794d6bb877c65ffe6c587a8f31bc1@i2pn2.org> <v6tvpv$3imib$14@dont-email.me> <091e8b7baeea467ee894b1c79c8943cb9773adb7@i2pn2.org> <v6u346$3khl8$1@dont-email.me> <16ac79611a441e7e01119631051f69119eee958a@i2pn2.org> <v6v06i$3pivt$1@dont-email.me> <23cb2d2401b87bf4f6a604aa1a78b93ffc9a29bc@i2pn2.org> <v6v2t1$3pmjn$3@dont-email.me> <3fc6548531f91ed14a27420caf9679a634573ed0@i2pn2.org> <v70lmo$61d8$1@dont-email.me> <8a6e6d9ff49aabe2525ce5729a439c807de4768a@i2pn2.org> <34Ocnd4voeWlDAn7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v725d7$hlvg$1@dont-email.me> <aa7643b6d8c46d2c4dd5ef92ae3650afe114adbb@i2pn2.org> <v734ct$mjis$2@dont-email.me> <056325e336f81a50f4fb9e60f90934eaac823d22@i2pn2.org> <v73gk2$obtd$1@dont-email.me> <e2958e7ea04d53590c79b53bfb4bc9dff468772b@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 23:03:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="13997779445f04dacae82f025877e637"; logging-data="921884"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/mc07v7whCjKZTVdWnUgnD" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:IpaLm/dVQWAVz3Hzd4CHeoF9+OI= In-Reply-To: <e2958e7ea04d53590c79b53bfb4bc9dff468772b@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3326 On 7/15/2024 3:58 PM, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:52:34 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/15/2024 9:04 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 07:23:57 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 7/15/2024 3:59 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:35:03 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 7/14/2024 10:02 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >>> >>>>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of >>>>>> simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies >>>>>> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>>>> It's just that the input HHH halts and does not need to be aborted. >>>> At the point that it is aborted it did need to be aborted >>> Because it hadn't halted yet? >> Because HHH has seen a repeating state that proves that DDD correctly >> emulated by HHH cannot possibly ever stop running unless aborted. > Which state is it that repeats forever? void Infinite_Loop() { HERE: goto HERE; } *It had never been which state DOES repeat forever* *It has always been which state WOULD repeat forever if not aborted* Infinite_Loop() doesn't even repeat forever because it is aborted. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer