Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:43:53 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <58fc6559638120b31e128fe97b5e955248afe218@i2pn2.org> <1173a460ee95e0ca82c08abecdefc80ba86646ac@i2pn2.org> <5f6daf68f1b4ffac854d239282bc811b5b806659@i2pn2.org> <60e7a93cb8cec0afb68b3e40a0e82e9d63fa8e2a@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 16:43:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="806954090dbe9e2c0be16c7a3e599476"; logging-data="3172337"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+6Ko6EeeQP6E9DQV6I7OfT" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/zqixfJZobEA4MUM08x/63ejCQM= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3715 On 7/19/2024 4:02 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-07-16 18:26:12 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 7/16/2024 3:16 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-07-15 13:51:14 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 7/15/2024 3:37 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-07-15 03:41:24 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/14/2024 9:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/14/24 9:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination >>>>>>>> of simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies >>>>>>>> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Excpet, as I have shown, it doesn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your problem is you keep on ILEGALLY changing the input in your >>>>>>> argument because you have misdefined what the input is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The input to HHH is ALL of the memory that it would be accessed >>>>>>> in a correct simulation of DDD, which includes all the codd of >>>>>>> HHH, and thus, if you change HHH you get a different input. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want to try to claim the input is just the bytes of the >>>>>>> function DDD proper then you are just admitting that you are >>>>>>> nothing more than a lying idiot that doesn't understand the problem, >>>>>> Turing machines only operate on finite strings they do >>>>>> not operate on other Turing machines *dumbo* >>>>> >>>>> That's right. But the finite string can be a description of a >>>>> Turing machine. >>>> >>>> No that is wrong. The finite string must encode a Turing machine. >>> >>> That you agree does not mean that it is wrong. >>> >> >> Your ignorance that a Turing machine cannot take its own >> executing self as an input is no rebuttal what-so-ever. > > You should not assume that everyone is as stupid as you. > That all rebuttals to my work have one fatal flaw or another is beyond the comprehension of my reviewers provides zero evidence that these rebuttals are not flawed. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer