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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Computer architects leaving Intel... Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 20:05:14 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Message-ID: <vb7q5q$3f6cg$1@dont-email.me> References: <2024Aug30.161204@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <memo.20240830164247.19028y@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vasruo$id3b$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug30.195831@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vat5ap$jthk$2@dont-email.me> <vaunhb$vckc$1@dont-email.me> <vautmu$vr5r$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug31.170347@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vavpnh$13tj0$2@dont-email.me> <vb00c2$150ia$1@dont-email.me> <505954890d8461c1f4082b1beecd453c@www.novabbs.org> <vb0kh2$12ukk$1@dont-email.me> <vb3smg$1ta6s$1@dont-email.me> <vb4q5o$12ukk$3@dont-email.me> <vb6a16$38aj5$1@dont-email.me> <jwv8qw8o7zg.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 22:05:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="37f88d6edce50b24dbc5f7c525895892"; logging-data="3643792"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19+Emf+q/KkZYhF84wHRwG0IVoH9hrdN7I=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pOu06W3O/IDkWgGziAJ6qdcjEBc= Bytes: 2217 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> schrieb: >> My impression - based on hearsay for Rust as I have no experience - is that >> the key point of Rust is memory "safety". I use scare-quotes here, since it >> is simply about correct use of dynamic memory and buffers. >> >> It is entirely possible to have correct use of memory in C, > > If you look at the evolution of programming languages, "higher-level" > doesn't mean "you can do more stuff". On the contrary, making > a language "higher-level" means deciding what it is we want to make > harder or even impossible. Really? I thought Fortran was higher level than C, and you can do a lot more things in Fortran than in C. Or rather, Fortran allows you to do things which are possible, but very cumbersome, in C. Both are Turing complete, after all.