Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jan Panteltje Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 10:53:11 GMT Message-ID: References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 10:53:11 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="219374"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (Linux-5.15.32-v7l+) Cancel-Lock: sha1:PK1sefFlEyingEaUtGyAOG2ntdg= X-Newsreader-location: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (c) 'LIGHTSPEED' off line news reader for the Linux platform NewsFleX homepage: http://www.panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/ and ftp download ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/ X-User-ID: eJwFwQkBwDAIA0BLfAlFDrTDv4Tdwam8GQQDizVTrHzzOi9bi2Xofj3lyU+De0zLJAchT2rvemeoH9HEnR9LqRT1 Bytes: 4700 Lines: 96 On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman wrote in : >On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote: >> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when >>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum". >>>>> >>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at >>>>> liquid helium temperatures." >>>>> >>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the >>>>>> gaps. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored >>>>> images, in a fraction of a second. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers. >>> >>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I >>> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more >>> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing >>> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we >>> don't match nice flat photos. >>> >>> How are our collections of images stored? >>> >>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people >>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the >>> argument. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be >>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads >>>> of data and a lot of matrix math. >>> >>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM. >>> >>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum >>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum >>> effects? >>> >>> Most people don't really believe in evolution. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Jeroen Belleman >> >> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom. >> >> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data >> >> or maybe more than one. >> >> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too. > >If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and >-correction coding? >Bill Sloman, Sydney It does all the time in RNA DNA I was reading this stuff this morning: Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203 there is still a lot to learn design something, write some code, show us. plenty of broken records around, not interesting. > >