Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:44:58 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 98 Message-ID: References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="75bdcd845d7eba18be82c51a9e1057e7"; logging-data="2330343"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18N63fejuNsb/FxzagIqzxr" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:p6CcnM8y1dci3bhg/Fov3WErcD0= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4965 On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote: > On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman > wrote in : > >> On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote: >>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when >>>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum". >>>>>> >>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at >>>>>> liquid helium temperatures." >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the >>>>>>> gaps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored >>>>>> images, in a fraction of a second. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers. >>>> >>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I >>>> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more >>>> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing >>>> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we >>>> don't match nice flat photos. >>>> >>>> How are our collections of images stored? >>>> >>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people >>>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the >>>> argument. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be >>>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads >>>>> of data and a lot of matrix math. >>>> >>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM. >>>> >>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum >>>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum >>>> effects? >>>> >>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jeroen Belleman >>> >>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom. >>> >>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data >>> >>> or maybe more than one. >>> >>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too. >> >> If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and >> -correction coding? >> Bill Sloman, Sydney > > It does all the time in RNA DNA > I was reading this stuff this morning: > Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes: > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm > http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203 > there is still a lot to learn > > design something, write some code, show us. > plenty of broken records around, not interesting. > An organism with extensive DNA repair ability is Deinococcus Radiodurans, so evolution is apparently clever enough. Jeroen Belleman