Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:03:40 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 115 Message-ID: References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> <2c0eejpukjpu666k7p82ief8ub61h67d5j@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:03:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="aa4ff69fddcc2c9ea86e841960ecc770"; logging-data="2390111"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Z5/lOTvVn8Nkp9kF6rQU2GnXdtGe92Q4=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IV1xnH4RSRb++T0855LKUuRt7EQ= Bytes: 5654 On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 08:48:37 -0700, john larkin wrote: > On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:44:58 +0200, Jeroen Belleman > wrote: > >>On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>> On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill >>> Sloman wrote in : >>> >>>> On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum- basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes >>>>>>>>>> away when an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be >>>>>>>>>> quantified. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be >>>>>>>>> quantum". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only >>>>>>>> works at liquid helium temperatures." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of >>>>>>>>> the gaps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one >>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million >>>>>>>> stored images, in a fraction of a second. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a >>>>>> believer. I was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. >>>>>> It's even more amazing when you consider all the optical >>>>>> distortions and viewing angles and changes in illumination and >>>>>> motion effects in real life; we don't match nice flat photos. >>>>>> >>>>>> How are our collections of images stored? >>>>>> >>>>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people >>>>>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the >>>>>> argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be getting >>>>>>> there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads of data and a >>>>>>> lot of matrix math. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use >>>>>> QM. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum >>>>>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use >>>>>> quantum effects? >>>>>> >>>>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman >>>>> >>>>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom. >>>>> >>>>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom- quantum-data >>>>> >>>>> or maybe more than one. >>>>> >>>>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too. >>>> >>>> If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton >>>> and -correction coding? >>>> Bill Sloman, Sydney >>> >>> It does all the time in RNA DNA I was reading this stuff this morning: >>> Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes: >>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm >>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203 >>> there is still a lot to learn >>> >>> design something, write some code, show us. >>> plenty of broken records around, not interesting. Bill prefers to insult others in a condescending manner. It's easier. >>An organism with extensive DNA repair ability is Deinococcus >>Radiodurans, so evolution is apparently clever enough. >> >>Jeroen Belleman > > We would die of cancer before we were born if we didn't have error > correction in cell division. At least that would solve the population explosion. What are we at now? 9 billion? And they've all decided to join us in N. America and Europe for some reason.