Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Sabine Hossenfleder reports on a study that finds that the universe is not fine tuned for life Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 10:51:47 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="58217"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:4PhbKiYPOj6WRlg9x53szLsLCfU= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 95D47229782; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 05:51:57 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65E71229765 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 05:51:55 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1tFWh7-00000002lfh-2HmB; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:51:53 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 630915F8CF for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 10:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/630915F8CF; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=meden.demon.co.uk id D4373DC01A9; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:51:47 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:51:47 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18EWPXyVeba7mGUrNMkwu3Vi2LbLeOQLXaZgXgASALXefXIUpNL8Bs3r9FnDk3ItP/7omNb3PiEWg== Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3794 On 24/11/2024 21:40, John Harshman wrote: > On 11/24/24 8:44 AM, Ernest Major wrote: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXzV7zdl4oU > > Interesting paper, but I find her delivery annoying. It seems that we're > supposed to like a scientific result to the extent that it argues > against a theory she dislikes for unexplained reasons. And why does a > lack of fine-tuning argue against a multiverse anyway? > I think that the argument is that in a multiverse the majority of observers exist in universes that are "fine tuned" for the existence of observers, and therefore if you pick an observer at random it is unlikely that it will be in a universe which is not fine tuned. That we find ourselves in a universe that it not fine tuned (at least according to the reviewed paper) is contrary to the expectations of a theory incorporating multiverses. But I saw no quantification of how unlikely this observation is, and regardless I'm cautious of drawing statistical conclusions from samples of one. -- alias Ernest Major