Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jim Wilkins" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Subject: Re: FWIW first welding job, 2 years on Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:10:15 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2024 15:11:29 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fc7f6b9601a2c4c220517d01d275f641"; logging-data="3291098"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+i1Xwgag1ROj8PBHjFdUu4OPZaxrF+ids=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:bJgglm6Fm24VQrRPf0K6bMj8J78= Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3505.912 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3505.912 X-Priority: 3 X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 241206-10, 12/6/2024), Outbound message Bytes: 3013 X-Original-Lines: 2 "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1a5d7bsh1.fsf@void.com... I have contributed - this has started to happen. I used "the bubble" (spirit-level) on some fabrications, and found that what it cost in time to set things off parallel at the first stage was more than made-up for by the "ideal" time it took to fit-up and weld the rest. Show the approach and the corrections, the owner and designer where on the press-brake with dial-gauges, etc., and made adjustments. ie. there is something positive going on. ... ------------------------- Could you expand on that? I found out the hard way how much welds can distort a precise alignment, especially a weld across an inside corner. I had to jack the sawmill ladder frame parallel (enough) and mill the shrunken gap in a bending brake hinge assembled from surface-ground plates. The surface welds along the sides of the plate stack didn't destroy the 0.005" fork/tongue clearance, but welding inside the fork did. Do diagonal or fish mouth/tail ends (vs square) improve stress distribution and/or reduce distortion in butt joint splice plate welds? One end of the splice plate would be bolted, the other welded after aligning the beams. When I was building custom machinery the press brake operator and welder compensated for distortion, the all-welded machine frames were square to 1/32". They were mostly multiple 19" relay racks that we had to fit the equipment panels into, so we would see any error. I knew they marked the prints with allowances for bending and welding but they didn't share, and the front surface welds had been ground and filled as invisible as auto body repairs. tia, jsw