Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: -hh Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2025 22:34:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <9OCcnRW7grqkbPT6nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@earthlink.com> <1r5nn2k.7m1rupwur1c6N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> <1r5o1m0.17kz7ud4927t7N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2025 04:34:42 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cebf768cdb62fd71421c22484e44e667"; logging-data="767560"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18AU51FGatpHoThlKhqbFqRHAAVGHnm1fE=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:TuXsaZiUv7968Hd4hMh7zlRu4gA= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4138 On 1/4/25 10:08 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > On 2025-01-04 21:34, Sn!pe wrote: >> Andrzej Matuch wrote: >> >>> On 2025-01-04 19:39, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:50:21 +0000, Sn!pe wrote: >> [big snip] >> >>>>> [OT] That's the great thing about Apple:  from the users' viewpoint it >>>>> all "just works". >>>>> >>>> Until it doesn't. Why do you think Mac users feel the need for >>>> something >>>> like Homebrew? That adds Linux-style package-manager functionality >>>> that is >>>> missing from macOS. Because without it, trying to install open-source >>>> software turns into a complete nightmare. >>>> >>> >>> I wanted to install something to calculate the wear on my MacBook M1's >>> storage and experienced this first-hand. It's much easier with Linux. >>> >> >> Fair comment.  You're in a very small minority for wanting to do this. > > Sure, because Mac users typically don't care how the computer works; > they just want to use the software to accomplish something. Checking > wear, upgrading and changing components is all beneath them. Those who > would wish to do such things are peons. Reminds me of a friend who sends me an email 2x/year that's a copy of the report of the latest chemical analysis from his car's most recent oil change: dude, its fine that you want your car to last, but its not going to be preserved in a museum! > Seriously though, I like the Apple-silicon Macs but I'm realizing that > I'm not the kind of person who would be content knowing that whatever I > purchased can't be changed in the slightest after purchase. I love how > easily Apple hardware communicates with other Apple hardware and find > MacOS to be a nice system, but I'm realizing that the best compromise > for me is Linux delivered by a steady community like that of Fedora. I think what changed for me was recognizing that I no longer need to go through extraordinary efforts to make an PC last a decade anymore, because their costs have declined so dramatically over the past 40 years. -hh