Path: ...!news.unit0.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Ophelia" Newsgroups: uk.legal,uk.politics.misc Subject: Re: "Let's be honest about what's really driving Brexit: bigotry" Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:59:41 -0000 Lines: 164 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net w5AWwcaeqgWLq/+uDf00sA5nv4/AN45928V1myOHA2UuTSImkR Cancel-Lock: sha1:Wd0HeWmMBB2R+EhZZqO8bEqR6YI= In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 "Incubus" wrote in message news:pu6fs5$b6p$1@dont-email.me... On 2018-12-04, Pamela wrote: > On 17:14 4 Dec 2018, Incubus wrote in > news:pu6clr$krb$1@dont-email.me: > >> On 2018-12-04, Pamela wrote: >>> On 16:41 4 Dec 2018, Incubus wrote in >>> news:pu6anu$6ab$1@dont-email.me: >>> >>>> On 2018-12-04, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: >>>>> Incubus wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-12-04, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: >>>>>>> Pamela wrote: >>>>>>>> On 17:16 3 Dec 2018, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in >>>>>>>> news:pu3oct$7e7$1@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pamela wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 16:55 3 Dec 2018, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:pu3n63$ufl$1@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pamela wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 14:48 3 Dec 2018, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> news:pu3fn7$ber$1@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pamela wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14:20 3 Dec 2018, "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in news:pu3e39$c7 $1@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pamela wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13:36 3 Dec 2018, "Dan S. MacAbre" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in news:pu3bhq$ga4$1@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do only white English people behave like this, do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you suppose? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What proof do you have that non-white British people are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never bigoted? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None at all, I'm just wondering why MM agrees with an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article that suggests that that is the case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you go to some foreign countries, say China or those in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Africa, you will find far greater prejudice than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> article describes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't doubt it. I'd also suggest that much of mainland >>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe is far worse than the UK. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The article doesn't say only white English people behave >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like this. Can you point me to where it does? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's about Brexit as a reaction to Immigration. I'd have >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought the message was clear? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim the article says "only white English people >>>>>>>>>>>> behave like this". It doesn't say that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What's more, even if it did, a lot of non-white British are >>>>>>>>>>>> very bigoted so there's litle truth in making the statement >>>>>>>>>>>> at all. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> True. But my original question was aimed at MM who does >>>>>>>>>>> believe that. WRT to non-white British bigotry, there are >>>>>>>>>>> claims that it is excusable, since they are reacting to >>>>>>>>>>> systemic racism. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen MM write that. Maybe I missed it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe I am reading too much in between the lines, but here is >>>>>>>>> his first paragraph: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Let's start by asking: Are we an intrinsically or inherently >>>>>>>>> racist country? JNugent will be able to explain the difference, >>>>>>>>> as he is obviously far better educated than I am. But my gut >>>>>>>>> feeling is that we have never truly rejected those signs in the >>>>>>>>> 1960s "No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". See how those signs >>>>>>>>> actually equated foreigners with animals? We're still doing it >>>>>>>>> today, and this group shows plenty of evidence of it on a daily >>>>>>>>> basis." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the rest of the post continues in the same vein, and then ends >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "You'll note I mentioned only the English above. Well, Scotland >>>>>>>>> rejected Brexit, as did Northern Ireland, so my criticism >>>>>>>>> doesn't apply to people of those countries." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm taking it all too personally? Some claim that he >>>>>>>>> only comes here to wind people up; and if that's what gets him >>>>>>>>> through the day, then fair play to him, and shame on me for >>>>>>>>> being sucked in. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's a poor attempt to project what you are doing onto MM but >>>>>>>> it doesn't work as his reputation is too strong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm aware of his reputation, but sometimes I'm tempted to play >>>>>>> along and invite him to think about what he's accusing people of >>>>>>> doing. Once again it turned out to be a waste of time. I'm >>>>>>> probably flattering myself to imagine that I can get him to >>>>>>> reflect a little. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you, as you allegedly claim, get sucked in then may I suggest >>>>>>>> you don't read posts which are likely to take over your mind in >>>>>>>> such a way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you mean by 'allegedly'? Do you like to wind people up, >>>>>>> too? Some people say you do, but I've tried to avoid jumping to >>>>>>> that conclusion. I was genuinely hoping for a reply from MM, but >>>>>>> am not surprised that I didn't get one. Is that not obvious? >>>>>> >>>>>> Expecting serious responses out of Pamela or MM is rather >>>>>> pointless. >>>>>> I have filtered MM but Pamela hasn't blotted 'her' copybook quite >>>>>> that much yet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I quite like MM in an odd sort of way. I know he's a wind-up, but >>>>> I don't mind playing along sometimes, since he's usually fairly >>>>> good-natured about it. >>>> >>>> He is harmless but tedious. He has been 'doxxed' a couple of times >>>> on this group, which was unwarranted, but he seems to be not all >>>> that dissimilar in real life to his Usenet persona. >>>> >>>>> I though the OP in this case, though, was rather objectionable and >>>>> ill-considered. Right now, though, I'm going to take Pamela's (why >>>>> do people think she/he/it is a he?) advice and not get sucked in >>>>> any further. >>>> >>>> Pamela just seems a bit too good to be true and reminds me of >>>> Judith, who is believed to be a chap called Tony. She inhabits the >>>> same groups and attacks the same people. >>> >>> Steady on Incubus. Nice of you to say I am too good to be true >>> (*curtsy*) but I am neither of those people you mention. >>> >>> If I were I wouldn't hide it. What would be the point? >> >> I'm just relating my observations. I don't have any certainty. >> >>> Out of interest, what nym does Fat Tony use? >> >> Judith. > > You're not kidding are you? Where does the name fat Tony come from if > he doesn't use it to post? Anthony something-or-other. == Bourne. Ie Fat Tony, pam, Judith!