Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!.POSTED.chiark.greenend.org.uk!not-for-mail From: RJH Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated Subject: Re: Racism Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:06:37 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Approved: uk.legal.moderated approval key Message-ID: References: <51CdnTCCSaHXTtb5nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: chiark.greenend.org.uk; posting-host="chiark.greenend.org.uk:212.13.197.229"; logging-data="30938"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@chiark.greenend.org.uk" User-Agent: Usenapp for MacOS Cancel-Lock: sha1:rSYUrQZWI+cPNO9CJ2vfxaCHgUg= X-Moderation: [168284200030803] See https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of eternal-september.org designates 81.169.162.243 as permitted sender) client-ip=81.169.162.243; envelope-from=news@eternal-september.org; helo=smtp.eternal-september.org; X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+cjO8DiPtHafi+CgJ5TESXLcsAzwQG1k4= X-Usenapp: v1.26.6/l - Full License X-Face: vQnbv9.hE?8i]$Ze]OcTpb,obA[3MtUngaZO(ISFlziUk#Sqro&Lzf|1w5j@Wx_[Ju319$< Ka>(F68r$z?yD[m[!^RH/FdWU9.@APw!U9~XbK^jVZPS5Q|A`\oD`O7W/1N{DHKvYsvcMNH009wq\k Aha&{ID11Ks^}4KwoJ# X-Mythic-Source-External: YES X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 1 X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: X-Auth: PGPMoose V2.0 PGP uk.legal.moderated iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmROIZEACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x5nfQf/QnyLgBzke/eXj+PzkQVvZI8c3ZXmkxRG3Kjn94SZcHy3e6fqCFwCEw/q ShUKBxWQGW+ljSgTmT3gDI0LFmDyGuZpe7HW5esbvVk7DjhqFhAOB92D7t5be7H1 CuVBI1sm7yw1tC5NAQ/V4+R2WISG/70bd/8rAFveHoDCRZUQLKdUIREYRCPF0sih GPD3mNEM6modyoS8/M/ZaDRJKUaEiYV8eUCkXsCOu1tRTCb6Yl1pbKQGY6vm+fF3 55ug3wY5cOAKLZckrjJ/oQdJR3TV5gnAL+trvl18hFm2GBToxNcuNb4H+DO9Y8RM rnQxevlv/gReYRwLsR5XKxD84zwDmg== =gxBi Originator: webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk ([212.13.197.229]) Bytes: 4197 Lines: 39 On 29 Apr 2023 at 13:45:01 BST, Pamela wrote: > If you re-read what I wrote below (which you appear to have > misinterpreted as a "non sequitur"), you will see that only 400,000 > slaves were transported to north America during the entire > Transatlantic Slave Trade. > > > > This slave population had grown to 4 million by the time America > abolished slavery in 1865, out of a total population of 31 million. > > Furthermore, the death rate amongst slaves taken across the Atlantic > was no higher than amongst non-slave crew members. Presumably this is > because no owner would wish his recently purchased slaves to die before > he could make use of them. > > In other words, these figures support my point that there were far > fewer slaves transported across the Atlantic than those who perished in > the Holocaust. > And what's your overall point? It seems to be that the extent of slavery in the US has been wildly overstated. Really? And why would that matter? All of which takes you remarkably close to Diane Abbot territory . . . >>> Nor was the outcome comparable: the purpose of the Holocaust was >>> death and extermination whereas the purpose of slavery was make use >>> of live slave labour. As David Starkey famously said, slavery was >>> not genocide, and he clumsily went on to observe how very many >>> slave-descended blacks now live in America. >>> >>> Out of a total 11 million slaves transported across the Atlantic >>> from Africa, only a fraction totalling 400,000 slaves were taken to >>> America. (Much later Africans transported to the Caribbean started >>> moving to the United States.) -- Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK