Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dr. Who Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.atheism Subject: Re: Have any of you christers ever actually read Isaiah 7? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:37:15 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 161 Message-ID: References: <5j3qrhhrpuq8qj2mss4hln9c50hc0ufq43@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 03:37:15 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="daabdf813bb06673f343faabdd8d06ad"; logging-data="1243043"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18pwjOwS/7HWPw5Wx83sh49" User-Agent: Hogwasher/5.24 Cancel-Lock: sha1:3lKpf7gek722uO0hJmsEBBgeA90= Bytes: 7373 On Jan 11, 2023, Ted wrote (in article): > On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 18:19:30 -0800, Dr. Who > wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2023, Ted wrote > > (in article): > > > > On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 00:27:49 -0800, Dr. Who > > > wrote: > > > > On Jan 9, 2023, Frank Lee wrote > > > > (in article<5j3qrhhrpuq8qj2mss4hln9c50hc0ufq43@4ax.com>): > > > > > > > > Dr. Who wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2023, Frank Lee wrote > > > > > > (in article): > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Who wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2023, Ted wrote > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Note that none of the Jews ever claimed that Jesus > never > > > existed as a > > > > > > > > > real person. That myth was invented during the 18th > > > century CE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the Jews in the NT who believed in Jesus claim not > only > > > that he > > > > > > > > existed, > > > > > > > > but many saw the Lord after he was resurrected. Josephus > > > speaks of him, as > > > > > > > > does some records of the Roman Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh no you don't. You claimed Roman records before, and > > > > > > > when you were challenged on that, you deceptively quoted > > > > > > > the latin vulgate bible, while refusing to name the > > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I didn't, I do not have one to quote. > > > > > > > > > > Don't play dumb. There are copies of every version on > > > > > the internet. I don't know where you found it. > > > > > > > I do not have any copies of that, and I am not interested in > one. > > > In all the > > > > years I have studied the Word of God that version has never > been of > > > interest > > > > to me. All the versions of the Bible I quote I have copies of > here > > > at home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also do not have the time at this moment to gather up all > the > > > documents > > > > > > that you request, > > > > > > > > > > I didn't request any documents. I only pointed out your > > > > > error, if that's what it is. > > > > > > > Sorry but you are out of line here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also do not have a habit of recording things like I > > > > > > typically write in these NG's everything is a one off or one > > > and done, even > > > > > > the scripture I quote, I quote fresh, However, here is a > site I > > > just located > > > > > > that shows a lot or what I remember reading like the stuff > from > > > Josephus > > > > > > that > > > > > > I mentioned and you noted. The fact that He was not a > christian > > > should only > > > > > > add fuel to the fire that it was truthful. > https://marktabata.com/2017/04/17/ancient-roman-records-and-jesus-2/ > > > > > > > > > > > > This references a lot of works that I do have in my library, > > > personal > > > > > > library. Which speaks to the roman docs, not all of which, > BTW, > > > have been > > > > > > destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > So he claims that a 2nd century author made a reference > > > > > to documents which don't exist any more, if they ever > > > > > existed. > > > > > > > > > > This is no better than quoting the bible as a source. > > > > > > > To you, perhaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no contemporary Roman records of Jesus. If > > > > > > > there were, they would be well known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josephus's mention of Jesus appears to have been edited > > > > > > > after the fact, as you must know. Josephus never became > > > > > > > a christian, which further discredits his glowing alleged > > > > > > > reference to Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't doubt that Jesus actually existed, tho certainly > > > > > > > not as described in the gospels. Your dissemblance > > > > > > > doesn't help your cause. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very many testify to the fact that he existed, even the > > > Rabbi's of that > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > and following, they just deny that he was the Son of > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe you. Show us the reference from any > > > > > > > source not in the bible. > > > > > > > > > > Just admit that no Roman records of Jesus exist. > > > > > No point in trying to fool anyone, least of all yourself. > > > > > > > There are evidences of Roman records of all the things you > contest > > > and the > > > > evidences of such documents are in the writings of Tertullian. > > > > > > > You can deny God honestly, and just say you do not believe, but > why > > > pretend > > > > there is no evidence of him? > > > > > > There are practically ZERO Roman records of Jesus. Two ambiguous > one > > > liners by Pliny and Suetonius each. A bit more from Tacitus, but > his > > > factual errors make it clear he wasn't referencing any official > > > documents but rather relying on hearsay. > > > > > > Only three, and all written during the second century, a hundred > > > years after Jesus. There are no Roman records sufficient even to > > > indicate that he was a real person. If you know of any other Roman > > > records, please share them with us. > > > Get yourself a copy of tertxxxxs books and read through then I > don't remember > > which books they are listed, but I'd bet you could find copies of > then on the > > web > > tertxxxxs books > > Showing results fortetrisbooks > Search instead fortertxxxxs books > > Did you mean:tetrisbooks Tertullian. I couldn't remember how to spell his name. :)