Path: ...!news.nobody.at!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Alexander Schreiber Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: After the storm, hopefully Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 23:29:18 +0100 Organization: Not much. Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <63E50FF0.4446.news.afc@realitycheckbbs.org> <20230216180832.48e8613c66469b0d22a53b99@eircom.net> <142292670.698274645.645352.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <20230217054508.4149961b5cae8588ac92e4da@eircom.net> <20230218161753.a22dec5d639186595385b036@eircom.net> Reply-To: als@usenet.thangorodrim.de X-Trace: individual.net dfUE7hLNVLAMTvu4/DwxVQFPgOdqmy81UjGrNaQlLiYK6+A255 X-Orig-Path: frodo.angband.thangorodrim.de!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:StjkXsZoKMnt/HlNPEcKYrSgq00= User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Bytes: 4149 Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 13:33:55 +0100 > Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> > On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 22:40:12 +0100 >> > "Carlos E.R." wrote: >> > >> >> You can keep using your ICE (in Europe) for years. Till 2050. Then you >> >> won't be able, not because they'll pry it from your cold dead hands, >> >> but because you will not be able to buy petrol or diesel. >> > >> > If it's a diesel then it should be easy enough to run it on home >> > made biodiesel - making instructions and even kits are easily available >> > online, try not to burn down the house. >> >> In principle yes (I mean, the very first Diesel engine ran on peanut oil), >> but there are traps. Biodiesel usually isn't straight up vegetable oil, > > It never is. Before RME became common, quite a few people running cars with older (and more robust) Diesel engines switched to feeding them (carefully filtered) used cooking oil. With the side effect that you tended to smell a greasy spoon fastfood joint in the middle of nowhere if you found yourself driving behind them ;-) >> but usually chemically processed vegetable oils (e.g. rapeseed methyl >> ester, aka RME) and that stuff can be decidedly unfriendly to the > > That's the stuff. It's also apparently a really good solvent, which is typically not a desired property in an engine fuel ;-) >> fuel system and the engine (e.g. plastics and metals - with pure RME >> some plastic have shown noticeable degradation and some metals have > > Yes some engines need seals replacing - last time I looked into it > Viton seal kits were available for a wide range of engines. Yup, replace the (plastic/rubber) parts that RME tends to attack and you should be good. >> So will running 100% biodiesel in a diesel engine not rated for kill >> the engine? Most likely not, but you should expect to pay a lot more >> attention to regular servicing and maintenance to spot (and fix) whatever >> issues (e.g. plastic parts of the fuel system degrading) crop up. > > Yep - all part of the fun of running an obsolete vehicle. Not too > dissimilar to the problem of five star petrol going away when tetraethyl > lead did - some cars needed it to avoid pinking. AFAIK ethanol also does a decent job as an anti-knock agent, without poisoning your fellow man with lead. Again, parts of the fuel system (IIRC mostly seals) might need replacement for that. Kind regards, Alex. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison