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Subject: Re: Indigenous population numbers in N America (was Re: Hamas)
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On 17:47  27 Dec 2023, billy bookcase said: 
> "Vir Campestris" <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:umhksn$3vr7o$2@dont-email.me... 
>> 
>> snip 
>> 
>> Destroying their culture isn't genocide. 
> 
> snip 
> 
> So what to you, constitutes a person ? 
> 
> What differentiates human beings from animals, is that we develop 
> cultures, ways of life. 
> 
> Deprive a person of the only way of life they have ever known, as was
> the case with the native americans, and they lose their whole reason
> for living. 
> 
> Driven off of their land, as was the case with the plains Indians 
> which was the only place they knew, and was often of religious 
> significance and where their ancestors still lived, and into 
> inhospitable places which offered them nothing, they were completely 
> bereft. 
> 
> The northern tribes certainly were a traditional people without 
> writing or science - from birth to death the only thing any of them 
> would ever learn would be from their parents via oral culture. There
> were no outside influences on them for century after century. 
> 
> The Europeans came along and they were defenceless in the face of a
> superior technology they couldn't possibly match, In terms of 
> technology they hadn't even developed the wheel If only because given
> the vast resources" at their disposal and their way of life they
> hadn't needed to. They were under no pressure. 
> 
> So the answer you "should" have given was yes the destruction of the 
> North American Indians "was" genocide. But because they were making 
> such* limited use* of the vast resources of the continent, not even 
> having developed writing or the wheel it was inevitable that they 
> would be "swept away" by "progress" - 
>
> [SNIP]

The UN Convention's own definition is not so all embracing. It defines 
genocide as an "intent to destroy" through death or serious bodily harm. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#Definition_of_genocide

Occupying the land of another people or causing a "culture" to wither 
away is not mentioned.