Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Harran Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: CONTRARY EVIDENCE (WASRe: Evide)nce! Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 12:16:28 +0000 Organization: Newshosting.com - Highest quality at a great price! www.newshosting.com Lines: 97 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <38cd0jho9goapuldo6olcpc8ihpv0ijoeb@4ax.com> References: <0jenvil40oto62hmdksnpgj5ab3m2c0a6a@4ax.com> <1gmNN.183646$hN14.153104@fx17.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="94665"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 39CA422976C; Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:12:54 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0513A229758 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:12:52 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1rqB9y-00000002AoK-2Gxy; Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:16:38 +0100 by nntpmail01.ams1.omicronmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348A6201914 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2024 12:16:29 +0000 (UTC) id F38C75C017F; Fri, 29 Mar 2024 12:16:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Path: fx05.ams1.POSTED!not-for-mail X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse(at)newshosting.com X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 12:16:27 UTC Bytes: 6733 On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:39:16 -0400, Ron Dean wrote: >Martin Harran wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:34:37 -0400, Ron Dean >> wrote: >> >>> Martin Harran wrote: >>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:06:05 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2024-03-28 16:52:50 +0000, Mark Isaak said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/26/24 10:29 AM, Ron Dean wrote: >>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/25/24 10:26 AM, Ron Dean wrote: >>>>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/24 4:31 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Ron Dean wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [snip >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And what about people for whom theism is their greatest motivator, such >>>>>>>>>>>>> as Obama bin Laden? Cynicism seems a rational response. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that Obama bin Laden is typical of Islam? If so, >>>>>>>>>>>> you're probably right. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My apologies to Mark as I just Chez Watted this without realizing Mark had >>>>>>>>>>> originally posted Osama bin Laden and in Ron Dean’s reply Mark’s spelling >>>>>>>>>>> morphed to Obama bin Laden matching Ron Dean’s spelling. I wonder what that >>>>>>>>>>> indicates about Ron Dean… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even without the typo, Ron's reply shows that he is grossly bigoted >>>>>>>>>> against Arabs and Moslems. The typo suggests that Blacks and Democrats >>>>>>>>>> may be added to the list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here you are so unfair.  It's easy to make accusations and charges >>>>>>>>> without even attempting to support them. This in and of itself >>>>>>>>> demonstrates your extreme bias and hatred of anyone with a >>>>>>>>> point of view, opinion or belief different from yours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The support for your bigotry against Moslems is in your own post, and >>>>>>>> that bigotry in turn is support for a suggestion of further bigotry. I >>>>>>>> must admit that I had not considered the intervention of a >>>>>>>> spell-checker. I have never known a spell-checker, uninvited, to alter >>>>>>>> text that the user did not type himself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked a question. "Are you suggesting that Osama bin Laden is typical >>>>>>> of Islam? If so (if you confirmed) you are probably right". If you >>>>>>> failed. I placed the burden on you! (Note here I defeated my >>>>>>> spell-checker) >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you honestly not recognize the overt bigotry in what you just >>>>>> repeated? It is really extremely gross and unforgivable. >>>>> >>>>> All the Muslims that I know (all highly educated women, at the moment) >>>>> are perfectly decent people. All of them would be very insulted to be >>>>> described as typical of Osama Ben Laden. None of them wear veils. A few >>>>> years ago there was a student who did wear a veil, but that was only in >>>>> her second when her husband came to join the institute. In her first >>>>> year she didn't, and was perfectly happy to have her photo taken (by >>>>> me) for a seminar series that my wife was organizing. She likewise had >>>>> nothing in common with Osama Ben Laden. >>>> >>>> The problem is that bigots are generally unable to recognise their own >>>> bigotry. When Ron Dean says that Osama bin Laden [1] is probably >>>> typical of Islam, he simply doesn't realise how that shows his bigotry >>>> towards Islam - I suspect that in his case, like most bigots IME, that >>>> bigotry is based on total ignorance of the subject about which he is >>>> bigoted. >>>> >>> I never said he is typical. I asked the question. >> >> You asked a question and followed it with your own opinion: >> >> >> >> "Are you suggesting that Obama bin Laden is typical of Islam? If so, >> you're probably right." > > >If so, you're probably right, If not, you are probably right. Perhaps in some remote universe or some far-flung corner of your mind, that response has some meaning but I guess I'm just not smart enough to grasp it. >> >> >> >>>> >>>> [1] I'm assuming his changing of that to Obama was unintentional >>>> though I could easily be convinced otherwise. >>>> >>> It was the spell checker. And me not checking after the spell-checker! >>