Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.hasname.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!69.80.99.26.MISMATCH!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 15:06:13 +0000 From: John Larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Politicaly correct? Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:04:38 -0700 Organization: Highland Tech Reply-To: xx@yy.com Message-ID: References: <1qr8r9b.4qm3p9am495eN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 63 X-Trace: sv3-pbw0ktXP0gZ3q3jNIsl44bLKtUaduLwkxLAc5v9+ZkjMzmif9bvu3JRZV7Vj4zgi4EejZ7ByjK0f2qF!pNNiQ2NRPA8r8eeLTyzvJRh8Gc0K1a1zUwwhches2j0yP+kRsuE8sTPcc7h3R17N+yiadtpDdP2r!MOnx1w== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4225 On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 20:41:47 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 20:15:44 +0100, Jeroen Belleman > wrote: > >>On 3/30/24 17:37, Liz Tuddenham wrote: >>> Joe Gwinn wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 01:04:38 +0100, jim whitby >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is from an rss feed today. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, the IEEE Computer Society announced to members that, after >>>>> April 1, it would no longer accept papers that include a frequently used >>>>> image of a 1972 Playboy model named Lena Forsén. The so-called "Lenna >>>>> image," (Forsén added an extra "n" to her name in her Playboy appearance >>>>> to aid pronunciation) has been used in image processing research since >>>>> 1973 and has attracted criticism for making some women feel unwelcome in >>>>> the field. >>>>> >>>>> Why? What could possibly be demeaning about a (above the shoulders) female >>>>> photo! >>>> >>>> The full photo is ahh ... fuller. >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> And she is famous in image processing. I doubt that the IEEE can >>>> change that. >>>> >>>> War story: Maybe ten years ago, my wife and I took my 15-yo nephew to >>>> Sweden, where I had lived and have friends. We were walking through a >>>> park near Stockholm's City Hall, where the grassy plaza is lined with >>>> many bronze beauties in full glory. My Swedish friend stopped at one >>>> of the beauties and commented that the model for that particular >>>> statue was the mother of one of his childhood friends. Nephew was >>>> floored. >>> >>> There is a tendency to forget that beautiful women are just people like >>> the rest of us. A woman whom I knew as a folk dancer and the mother of >>> two children once said to me: "If you wonder what I look like naked, go >>> and see the statue in xxx Town Hall, I was the model for it. >> >>There is this attitude, especially in the US and muslim countries, >>that nudity is reprehensible, more so than physical violence. This >>is weird and borderline insane. > >Not here for sure. We have nude beaches and The Folsom Street Fair. >People used to pay to see naked women but it's not such a novelty now. >What restricts nudity is the climate. And if you go around naked, >where do you keep your phone and your credit cards? > >I did once see the entire Ski Patrol come down the hill nude, skiing >in a line, holding hands. And practically every tribe on earth has covered their private parts somehow, even before the missionaries showed up. Modesty is not a Western or an American invention.