Reply-To: precent@yohoo.not Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.sport.pro-wrestling References: <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com> <660afc8b$0$1129685$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9eeb$0$3711189$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115$22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com> <660dc0ca$0$1082214$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660f1b98$0$2422119$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c34d6475b325c8$147542$2601257$eadde062@news.thecubenet.com> <66102bfa$0$2909310$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Followup-To: alt.eat-shit.and-die.asshole From: % Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 15:56:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <66102bfa$0$2909310$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 272 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.thecubenet.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 19:56:14 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 13055 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thecubenet.com Organization: theCubeNet - www.thecubenet.com Message-Id: <17c37a8043901144$4755$3037545$30dd3a6f@news.thecubenet.com> Bytes: 13440 Skeeter wrote: > In article <17c34d6475b325c8$147542$2601257$eadde062 > @news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says... >> >> Ted wrote: >>> Skeeter wrote: >>> >>>> In article , ted.street@gmail.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article , >>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com Ted says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115 >>>>>>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ted wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >> >>>>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> ted.road@qmail.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>> , >>>>> >>>>>>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com >>>>>>>>>> , >>>> precent@yohoo.not says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Romans crucify Jesus? >>>>>>>>> Because he had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>> too woke. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --bks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often >>>>>>>>> emulated >>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy >>>>>>>>> and love, but many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem >>>>>>>>> to miss a very large part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic his virtues. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be >>>>>>>>> considered >>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern >>>>>>>>> world, but his attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> would be >> > especially radical, >>>> aligning less with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> conservative views of >> > many of >>>> his >>>>>>>>> followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left views we now >>>>>>>>>>>>> call >> > communist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of >>>>>>>>> Jesusâ?? >>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or >>>>>>>>> undermine his economic >>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in >>>>>>>>> the >> > interest of preserving >>>> capitalism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many >>>> examples of >>>>>>>>> Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to excuse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and >>>>>>>>> attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> popular figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is >>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>> responsible that >>>> we separate >>>>>>>>> Jesusâ?? relationship with money >> >>>>>>>> from >>>> >>>>>>>>> that of any churches who stand to profit financially from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations of his >>>>>>>>> words. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can read stories about >>>>>>>>> Jesusâ?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > >>>>>>>>> like sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tradition now >> > referred to as >>>> â??communion.â? We >>>>>>>>> can also see >>>>>>> that he has a >> > >>>> particular >>>>>>>>> interest in the needs of people who >>>>>>> his >>>> >>>>>>>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as women who had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed adultery and those >> > with leprosy >>>>>>>>> or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities. >> > >>>>>>>>>> He >>>>>>>>> tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on >>>>>>>>> earth and that they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> and money. In Matthew 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>>>>>>>>>>> people using a >> > temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts flipping tables. >> > >>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches him for instruction >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give up all his >>>>>>>>> possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> > >>>>>>>>> poor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> â??It is easier for a camel to go through >>>>>>>>> the eye >>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who >>>>>>>>> is rich to enter >>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,â? Jesus >>>>>>>>> said in >> > Matthew 19:24 >>>> NIV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This notion that a rich person would >>>>>>>>> have to stop >>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to >>>>>>>>> follow him is explicitly >>>> incompatible with >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make >>>> people choose >>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> > >>>> wealth >>>>>>>>> unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and hopes >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his >>>>>>>>> followers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite the context and direct nature of >>>>>>>>> his >>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted >>>>>>>>> quite >>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> influential >> > >>>> Christians who have yet to give up >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>> possessions. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under >>>>>>>>> capitalism, interpretations favored by rich >>>> people are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has >>>> >>>>>>>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among >>>>>>>>> Jesusâ?? >>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> warning against. >> >>>>> His attempts to redistribute >>>>>>>>> power are >>>>>>> often >>>> downplayed, and this >> > is >>>>>>>>> interpreted instead as a story >>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody >>>>>>>>> is perfect. >> > >>>>>>>>>> SIUE is >>>> home to a large >>>>>>>>> Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of >>>>>>>>> this issue. All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian >>>>>>>>> or otherwise, should >>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations >>>>>>>>> of our >> > sources. Information >>>> is never presented >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without an agenda, and it >> > is >>>> alarmingly >>>>>>>>> common for >>>>>>> information to be presented in >>>> >>>>>>>>> deceitful >> > ways. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An idea as simple as â??love your >>>>>>>>> neighborsâ? can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the >>>>>>>>> exact opposite message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> readers seeking to >> > understand Jesusâ?? >>>> words >>>>>>>>> will think >>>>>>> critically about their own >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they align more >>>>>>>>> closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> > >>>>>>>>> political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even >>>>>>>>> start >>>> reading >>>>>>>> it. Very brief posts, otoh, >>>>>>>>> almost always get >>>> read. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing >>>>>>>>> to learn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let >>>>>>>>> alone >>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was >>>>>>>>> being taught? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========