Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.sport.pro-wrestling Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount Followup-To: alt.eat-shit.and-die.asshole Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 13:10:37 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com> <660afc8b$0$1129685$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9eeb$0$3711189$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115$22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com> <660dc0ca$0$1082214$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660ed598$0$1129688$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c3226fb1a90a02$124401$1768716$6add606a@news.thecubenet.com> Reply-To: ted.road@qmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 17:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="82933"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="cxWKkUqSnFhYHXvdUFj+yAyS5wIuHnWquTlHFtRCevs"; User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 In-Reply-To: <17c3226fb1a90a02$124401$1768716$6add606a@news.thecubenet.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 12277 Lines: 231 % wrote: > Skeeter wrote: >> In article , >> skeeter@hotmale.com says... >>> >>> In article , ted.street@gmail.com >>> Ted says... >>>> >>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115 >>>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says... >>>>>> >>>>>> Ted wrote: >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In article , ted.road@qmail.com >>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>> , >>>>> >>>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>, >>>>>>>>>> precent@yohoo.not says... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>, >>>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Why did the Romans crucify Jesus?  Because he >>>>>> had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>>    too woke. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        --bks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often emulated >>>>>>>>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but >>>>>> many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large >>>>>> part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic >>>>>> his virtues. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be considered >>>>>>>>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his >>>>>> attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> > especially >>>>>> radical, >>>> aligning less with the >>>>>>> conservative views of >>>>>>>>> many of >>>> his followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left >>>>>> views we now >>>> call >> > communist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of Jesusâ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his economic >>>>>>>>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of preserving >>>>>>>>>> capitalism.  >>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many >>>>>>>>>> examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to >>>>>> excuse >>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and >>>>>> attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>> popular >>>>>> figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is >> > only >>>>>>> >>>>>> responsible that >>>> we separate Jesusâ??  relationship with money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>> that of any churches who stand to profit >>>>>> financially from >>>>>>> >>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations >>>>>> of his words.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We can read stories about >>>>>> Jesusâ?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like >>>>>> sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>> tradition now >>>>>>>>> referred to as >>>> â??communion.â? We can also see >>>>>>> >>>>>> that he has a >> > >>>> particular interest in the needs of people >>>>>> who >>>>>>> his >>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as >>>>>> women who had >>>>>>> >>>> committed adultery and those >> > with >>>>>> leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> He >>>>>> tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that they >>>>>>>>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on earth and that >>>>>> they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>> and money. In Matthew >>>>>> 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>> people using a >> > >>>>>> temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>> starts flipping >>>>>> tables.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches >>>>>> him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give >>>>>> up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> > >>>>>> poor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      â??It is easier for a camel to go through the eye >>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is rich to enter >>>>>>>>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,â? Jesus said in >> > Matthew 19:24 >>>>>>>>>> NIV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      This notion that a rich person would have to stop >>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is explicitly >>>>>>>>>> incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make >>>>>>>>>> people choose between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> > >>>>>>>>>> wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and >>>>>> hopes >>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by >>>>>> encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his followers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Despite the context and direct nature of his >>>>>>>>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite >>>>>>>>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> > >>>>>>>>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>> possessions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Under capitalism, interpretations favored by >>>>>> rich >>>> people are >>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has >>>>>>>>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusâ?? >>>>>>>>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>> warning against. >>>>>>>>>>>>> His attempts to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>> downplayed, and this >> > is interpreted instead as a story >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody is perfect.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>    SIUE is >>>>>>>>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this issue. >>>>>> All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or otherwise, should >>>>>>>>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations of our >> > sources. >>>>>> Information >>>> is never presented >>>>>>> without an agenda, and >>>>>> it >> > is >>>> alarmingly common for >>>>>>> information to be >>>>>> presented in >>>> deceitful >> > ways. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      An idea as simple as â??love your neighborsâ? >>>>>> can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact opposite >>>>>> message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking to >> > >>>>>> understand Jesusâ??  >>>> words will think >>>>>>> critically about >>>>>> their own >> > >>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they >>>>>> align more closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial >>>>>>>>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> > >>>>>> political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even start >>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>> it.  Very brief posts, otoh, almost always get >>>>>>>>>> read. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing to learn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let alone >>>>>>>>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being taught? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed because of the >>>>>>>>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the simple >>>>>>>>>> rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament.  He wants you to understand >>>>>>>>>> and follow him.  It is >>>>>>> your choice. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========