Reply-To: precent@yohoo.not Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.sport.pro-wrestling References: <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com> <660afc8b$0$1129685$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9eeb$0$3711189$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115$22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com> <660dc0ca$0$1082214$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660ed598$0$1129688$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Followup-To: alt.eat-shit.and-die.asshole From: % Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 13:02:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <660ed598$0$1129688$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 227 Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!panix!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.thecubenet.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 17:02:26 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 11545 Organization: theCubeNet - www.thecubenet.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@thecubenet.com Message-Id: <17c3226fb1a90a02$124401$1768716$6add606a@news.thecubenet.com> Bytes: 11953 Skeeter wrote: > In article , > skeeter@hotmale.com says... >> >> In article , ted.street@gmail.com >> Ted says... >>> >>> Skeeter wrote: >>> >>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115 >>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says... >>>>> >>>>> Ted wrote: >>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article , ted.road@qmail.com >>>>> says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>> , >>>>> >>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>, >>>>>>>>> precent@yohoo.not says... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>, >>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Romans crucify Jesus? Because he >>>>> had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>> too woke. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --bks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often emulated >>>>>>>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but >>>>> many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large >>>>> part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic >>>>> his virtues. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be considered >>>>>>>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his >>>>> attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> > especially >>>>> radical, >>>> aligning less with the >>>>>>> conservative views of >>>>>>>> many of >>>> his followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left >>>>> views we now >>>> call >> > communist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of Jesusâ?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his economic >>>>>>>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of preserving >>>>>>>>> capitalism. >>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many >>>>>>>>> examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to >>>>> excuse >>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and >>>>> attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>> popular >>>>> figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is >> > only >>>>>>> >>>>> responsible that >>>> we separate Jesusâ?? relationship with money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>> that of any churches who stand to profit >>>>> financially from >>>>>>> >>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations >>>>> of his words. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can read stories about >>>>> Jesusâ?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like >>>>> sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>> tradition now >>>>>>>> referred to as >>>> â??communion.â? We can also see >>>>>>> >>>>> that he has a >> > >>>> particular interest in the needs of people >>>>> who >>>>>>> his >>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as >>>>> women who had >>>>>>> >>>> committed adultery and those >> > with >>>>> leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities. >> > >>>>>>>>>> He >>>>> tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that they >>>>>>>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on earth and that >>>>> they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>> and money. In Matthew >>>>> 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>> people using a >> > >>>>> temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>> starts flipping >>>>> tables. >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches >>>>> him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give >>>>> up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> > >>>>> poor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> â??It is easier for a camel to go through the eye >>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is rich to enter >>>>>>>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,â? Jesus said in >> > Matthew 19:24 >>>>>>>>> NIV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This notion that a rich person would have to stop >>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is explicitly >>>>>>>>> incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make >>>>>>>>> people choose between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> > >>>>>>>>> wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and >>>>> hopes >>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by >>>>> encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his followers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite the context and direct nature of his >>>>>>>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite >>>>>>>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> > >>>>>>>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>> possessions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under capitalism, interpretations favored by >>>>> rich >>>> people are >>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has >>>>>>>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusâ?? >>>>>>>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>> warning against. >>>>>>>>>>>> His attempts to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>> downplayed, and this >> > is interpreted instead as a story >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody is perfect. >> > >>>>>>>>>> SIUE is >>>>>>>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this issue. >>>>> All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or otherwise, should >>>>>>>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations of our >> > sources. >>>>> Information >>>> is never presented >>>>>>> without an agenda, and >>>>> it >> > is >>>> alarmingly common for >>>>>>> information to be >>>>> presented in >>>> deceitful >> > ways. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An idea as simple as â??love your neighborsâ? >>>>> can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact opposite >>>>> message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking to >> > >>>>> understand Jesusâ?? >>>> words will think >>>>>>> critically about >>>>> their own >> > >>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they >>>>> align more closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial >>>>>>>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> > >>>>> political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even start >>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>> it. Very brief posts, otoh, almost always get >>>>>>>>> read. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing to learn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let alone >>>>>>>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being taught? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed because of the >>>>>>>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the simple >>>>>>>>> rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament. He wants you to understand >>>>>>>>> and follow him. It is >>>>>>> your choice. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main thing I don't like about Jesus is that he eats >>>>>>>>> shit. It's >>>>>> disgusting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when you used to post as Scatboi, Ted, that was >>>>>>>>> back >>>>> when I was posting as Carny....man what a ride! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when you used to brag about how much shit I can >>>>>>>>> eat, Chad. >>>> We found it disgusting, but you were proud of >>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> tinw, scatboi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========