Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!198.186.190.30.MISMATCH!news-out.netnews.com|netnews.com!postmaster.netnews.com!us8.netnews.com!not-for-mail X-Trace: DXC=CWT?R2FR5^2J3^bIP?@\j3HWonT5<]0T=Q;nb^V>PUf65[gZBW6J?L<>8J_kK>kdR9aSd1?7^mkE:kIGgZBGA\6 X-Complaints-To: support@blocknews.net From: Skeeter Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.sport.pro-wrestling Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:30:15 -0600 References:

<%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com> <660afc8b$0$1129685$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9eeb$0$3711189$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115$22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com> <660dc0ca$0$1082214$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Organization: UTB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4 X-Face: *thX1BaTM~DW)y>UfN@S{EF}]NVJb0tk>I;DH,6H"b{{C$VcEn`hIJ(KzC}m2chzq9"omiT xnX+jm>bwDDZ{;7/l:)Usx5=JP2f3_l'.TN%0)q2N[_CgpW;Xlq3`1j32e& X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 240404-4, 4/4/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 221 Message-ID: <660ed598$0$1129688$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 X-Trace: 1712248216 reader.netnews.com 1129688 127.0.0.1:39777 Bytes: 12962 In article , skeeter@hotmale.com says... > > In article , ted.street@gmail.com > Ted says... > > > > Skeeter wrote: > > > > > In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115 > > > $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says... > > > > > > > > Ted wrote: > > > > > Skeeter wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> In article <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, > > > > >> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article , ted.road@qmail.com > > > > says... > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Skeeter wrote: > > > > >>>>> In article > > > > , >>>>> > > > > skeeter@hotmale.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> In article > > > > >>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>, > > > > >>>> precent@yohoo.not says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Ted wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>, > > > > >>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" wrote in > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Romans crucify Jesus? Because he > > > > had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>> too woke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --bks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often emulated > > > > >>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but > > > > many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large > > > > part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic > > > > his virtues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of Jesusā?? ideas would be considered > > > > >>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his > > > > attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> > especially > > > > radical, >>>> aligning less with the >>>>>>> conservative views of > > > > >> > many of >>>> his followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left > > > > views we now >>>> call >> > communist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of Jesusā?? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his economic > > > > >>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of preserving > > > > >>>> capitalism. >>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many > > > > >>>> examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to > > > > excuse >>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and > > > > attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>> popular > > > > figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is >> > only >>>>>>> > > > > responsible that >>>> we separate Jesusā?? relationship with money > > > > >> >>>>>>>> from >>>> that of any churches who stand to profit > > > > financially from >>>>>>> >>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations > > > > of his words. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can read stories about > > > > Jesusā?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like > > > > sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>> tradition now > > > > >> > referred to as >>>> ā??communion.ā?¯ We can also see >>>>>>> > > > > that he has a >> > >>>> particular interest in the needs of people > > > > who >>>>>>> his >>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as > > > > women who had >>>>>>> >>>> committed adultery and those >> > with > > > > leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities. >> > >>>>>>>>>> He > > > > tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that they > > > > >>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on earth and that > > > > they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>> and money. In Matthew > > > > 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>> people using a >> > > > > > temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>> starts flipping > > > > tables. >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches > > > > him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give > > > > up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> > > > > > poor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ā??It is easier for a camel to go through the eye > > > > >>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is rich to enter > > > > >>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,ā?¯ Jesus said in >> > Matthew 19:24 > > > > >>>> NIV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This notion that a rich person would have to stop > > > > >>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is explicitly > > > > >>>> incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make > > > > >>>> people choose between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> > > > > > >>>> wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and > > > > hopes >>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by > > > > encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his followers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite the context and direct nature of his > > > > >>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite > > > > >>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> > > > > > >>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>> possessions. > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under capitalism, interpretations favored by > > > > rich >>>> people are >>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has > > > > >>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusā?? > > > > >>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>> warning against. > > > > >> >>>>> His attempts to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often > > > > >>>> downplayed, and this >> > is interpreted instead as a story > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody is perfect. >> > >>>>>>>>>> SIUE is > > > > >>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope will > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this issue. > > > > All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or otherwise, should > > > > >>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations of our >> > sources. > > > > Information >>>> is never presented >>>>>>> without an agenda, and > > > > it >> > is >>>> alarmingly common for >>>>>>> information to be > > > > presented in >>>> deceitful >> > ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> An idea as simple as ā??love your neighborsā?¯ > > > > can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact opposite > > > > message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking to >> > > > > > understand Jesusā?? >>>> words will think >>>>>>> critically about > > > > their own >> > >>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they > > > > align more closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial > > > > >>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> > > > > > political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even start > > > > >>>> reading >>>>>>>> it. Very brief posts, otoh, almost always get > > > > >>>> read. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing to learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let alone > > > > >>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being taught? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed because of the > > > > >>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the simple > > > > >>>> rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament. He wants you to understand > > > > >>>> and follow him. It is >>>>>>> your choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The main thing I don't like about Jesus is that he eats > > > > >>>> shit. It's >>>>>> disgusting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I remember when you used to post as Scatboi, Ted, that was > > > > >>>> back >>>>> when I was posting as Carny....man what a ride! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I remember when you used to brag about how much shit I can > > > > >>>> eat, Chad. >>>> We found it disgusting, but you were proud of > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> tinw, scatboi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========