Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair,sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: PSU Ripple Update Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 20:20:58 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3haevi1jbhf4poc4s32t99391bq4tqfc42@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:19:32 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d1004017b8bad5d5c96be80c97d0c880"; logging-data="3878768"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18oc7knpiXQ3cJ5jBzLghcF" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:eybMeSB7YHh6j/52F1AILOL3L1U= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <3haevi1jbhf4poc4s32t99391bq4tqfc42@4ax.com> Bytes: 2862 On 3/17/24 18:48, Cursitor Doom wrote: > Gentlemen (and others) > > I only get a few spare minutes a week to look into this, hence this > update. Hopefully my latest finding might ring a bell for some of you > and assist in pinpointing the fault with this (linear) PSU. > So, I've carried out a few more tests and discovered that there is a > total absence of ripple on the storage caps when all the downstream > circuitry has been disconnected. So it's totally fine with no load. > However, as I re-connect all those downstream circuits, the ripple > commences and the more connectors I re-attach, the worse it gets. This > is a screen shot showing over a volt of ripple at only about 66% of > the full supply voltage applied: > > https://disk.yandex.com/i/vgxfpXgNp-F4Yg > > Now I did check to see if there was anything downstream which had > shorted or gone low-resistance which could possibly account for this, > but found nothing amiss. So the question is: > What could cause ripple to arise when even very light loads are > applied to the output of a pretty substantial linear PSU? > > BTW, the bridge rectifiers were fine and have been exonerated from any > culpability in this fault. Isn't that what you'd expect? The storage capacitor gets topped up twice per mains period. In between top-ups, it's the sole source of the output current, so its voltage drops until the next top-up. You could measure the rate of voltage drop and check if it has the expected slope for the output current and the storage cap's value: dV/dt = -I/C. You could also check if the pass transistors still have enough voltage across them at maximum current and just before the next top-up. Do you see ripple on the regulated output? Jeroen Belleman