Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!inka.de!mips.inka.de!.POSTED.localhost!not-for-mail From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Chilean Spanish (was: Re: Finally) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 20:51:13 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 20:51:13 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: lorvorc.mips.inka.de; posting-host="localhost:::1"; logging-data="99240"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@mips.inka.de" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Bytes: 2294 Lines: 34 On 2024-03-04, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: >> PS: I started watching _Baby Bandito_ on Netflix. Chilean Spanish >> turns out to be, uhm, interesting. Wikipedia has the subject >> covered, of course. > > Could you expand on that? As it happens Chilean Spanish is the Spanish > that I know best, heavily influenced in recent years by Spanish Spanish. The two salient properties are the pronunciation of -s and Chilean voseo. Coda /s/ is debuccalized to [h] or even deleted completely. Considering the importance of -s for the Spanish inflectional system, loss of -s should trigger significant compensatory changes. That doesn't really seem to be the case (but see below), so I guess there is a lot of [h] pronunciation left, even though I have a hard time hearing it. When people talk to each other, the verb forms are weird. Okay, so it's voseo. Except, it's not. Well, it is, but not the more familiar Rioplatense kind. Chilean comes with its own set of voseo endings, frequently used with tú as well. In short: -áis > -ái -ais > -ai -éis > -ís -ís > -ís That is oddly asymmetric. Is the final -s of -ís actually pronounced? Or is this merely an orthographic convention to distinguish it from the indefinido 1. sg. -í? The use of -ái/-ai introduces no ambiguity and compensates for the loss of -s when compared to normal voseo -ás/-as. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de